Oh.
SnapSnap writes:
Is that a 23% increase for etoll & port tunnel? Like they aren’t making enough…
Previously: Dublin’s East Link Bridge toll to be cut after Vat ruling (Irish Times, April 1)
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Fact – wipe vaseline on your number plate (not illegal) and the cameras won’t be able to read or get a clear photo. Only lasts around 24 hours, though.
is that an actual fact or is it hang a cd from your rearview mirror fact?
…surely the vaseline would work out dearer…could you claim the VAT on the vaseline?
Depending on your lifestyle choice, you can actually write off the entire cost of the vaseline – go to revenue online and download Form 35.b
Ah sure we were all thinking it.
Bog snorkeling?
Won’t someone please think of the midges getting caught on the jellied plates!
Ahahahahaha.
It’s not funny, it’s not even unexpected. So lets all have another bitter laugh about the poxy M50 and the many, many lies we’ve been told.
Technically it would be a 19% reduction, not 23% as they state.
Either way, if I was charged VAT on my trips, and now the company isn’t paying the VAT to the exchequer, and I claim my VAT back from the company? or are they guilty of overcharging me?
you wouldn’t claim vat back from a company..you claim it from revenue.
if you’ve collected vat from your sales, that’s owed to revenue. If you’ve paid vat on your purchases, you can offset what you’ve paid, against what you owe them – based on what you’ve collected, and you’re left with a refund or a payment, to/from the revenue commissioners.
Thanks for the correction, Captain Obvious.
If you read Cian’s comment properly, though, you’ll see that’s not actually what he said: he was suggesting that seeing as TII (“the company”) will not be passing the VAT he paid onto Revenue, he should therefore be entitled to claim a refund from “the company” of the VAT he was erroneously charged
They’re not charging him VAT..because they’re not liable for VAT going forward.
They’ve basically increased their prices.
What’s ” either way if i was charged VAT” mean? Either way he’s NOT being charged VAT..
They’re now not liable to pay vat to revenue. Like what part of it means “if”. they’re not. full stop.
They’ve effectively increased their prices for people who could have claimed back or offset the vat they were charging.
coming off an all-nighter, anne?
that’s right..n still sharper than the likes of you. haaa
guessed it
there’s a bang of badatmemes off your comments today
Leave me out of it please.
When I (as a private citizen) used the M50 toll bridge last year I was charged €3.10 (and told, at the time, that this was €2.52 + 23% VAT); Now they are saying they are not paying the VAT – am I entitled to my 58c back?
It says it’s effective from April 1st, so for last year ( and up to April 1st of this year, when doing VAT returns next year) business customers you can get the VAT back.
You as a private citizen could never claim the VAT back.
Are you trolling me or something?
They are explicitly saying that VAT is being charged [http://www.etoll.ie/driving-on-toll-roads/toll-rates/]. So if this is incorrect, I should be able to claim my VAT back from etolls for all my historic tolls.
business customers.
you can’t get diddly back.
A business customer could sue them for their few hundred euro of vat back, as the website isnt up to date – if they had a spare few hundred grand lying around for solicitors fees.
Anne, I’m not trolling.
I’m saying that the price they quoted me (as a private citizen) for the toll was €2.52 + 23% VAT; I paid €3.10 in good faith that the VAT would go to the exchequer.
Now they are saying that they are not handing the VAT to the exchequer. So should I get the 58c back?
It’s effective from April 1st. They will pay the vat to the exchequer up to that point. After that point business customers can’t claim the vat, before then, they can.
They will hand over the vat they collected from customers up to April 1st, after that vat is not inclusive in the price..i.e. no vat after April 1st.
Which part of that don’t you get?
and when I say get the VAT back, I mean back from TII (or e-tolls, or whoever I paid).
you are nor never were entitled to vat back.
just accept that.
Thanks Anne,
I misunderstood the article. I thought that they we keeping historic VAT.
Thanks for the clarification.
April 1st. Historical was all in your head.
we got there eventually. :)
The Irish always pay
Whether they want to or not sorta thing?
In a ‘let’s give out about this but do absolutely nothing and cave in’ sort of thing.
They’re argument at the weekend was that when they were told they had to charge VAT way back when, they didn’t increase the toll by 23% but they absorbed the VAT and paid it on to the exchequer. If that’s true, unpopular and all as it might be, it seems fair enough to me that when they get told VAT isn’t (and shouldn’t) have applied, that they keep tolls as they are.
national toll road apologist
lol
*Their
If you don’t want to pay it, take an alternate route.
… but your time is probably more valuable to you than that, so you will probably pay the toll, thereby proving that the toll is in fact good value.
An alternative non-tolled road is actually a requirement when a road is tolled. So I’m told.
Thats it Rob, just keep yer head down, know yer place & pay..
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/private-firm-to-reap-115bn-bonanza-from-m50-toll-deal-26628381.html
f’n gansters
evidence of bertie era corrutption
owed them a few grand 10 years ago..told them I did’t have & won’t ever have
they wrote it off
Did ya get the letter from the Kerry solicitors?
I forgot to pay them 2 quid once and it quickly escalated to €750. I laughed so much over the phone that they wrote it off.
They are in the same building as the company who issue the original fines..
met with one of their soclitors in the court they day I had to face the music i.. he admitted himself it was extortion, extortion… as in the manner in which the intial fine increased exponentially to I think it was 149e for each unpaid journey at the time.
So I had it out with him..he said he had another 64 cases that afternoon where they were chasing unpadid tolls.. I don’t think the average Joe would have an issue paying if it was a single fine on top of the origianl toll. But the fiasco of f’ups with linking bank accounts, toll reader & sending out 3rd & 4th fines before an intial reminder of defaulting on the first toll lead to me fighting my corner. I ended up not even going into the court room & as I said it was written off.
Most folk who or tourists for the day in Dublin are those who get snared, or the average Joe on a average wage who might not have the 3.80 or whatever it is to pay on the day & forgets about it until they get a demand from Kerry.
Most go on Borads.ie to be told their place by ‘do-gooders’ or just pay to avoid ‘trouble’.
At the end of the day its extorsion… anyone who does not want to feel like they are getting f’d over a barrell & does a 5min google into the facts & history of the bridge & that its has been paid for donkeys ago should do so.. & challange them.
Not a cent of that toll is going towards fixing yer local pothole..never mind reducing hospital wating times etc..
I’m not a complete cynical b@~ztard yet, but 100,000 cars a day..lol.
If you paid your toll, they wouldn’t have had any grounds on which to issue their extortionate demands.
There are 90% of the roads in Ireland don’t have tolls; you can always use one of them instead.
They are the cutest of cute hoors, that lot.
FG family.
That statement from easytrip is bull. TII imposed vat on M50 tolls and reduced the charge so users would pay the same. Now they legally have to refund the vat.
HA HA!
YOU IN YOUR TWENTY’S ROB?
GUD LUCK IN THE CUP
NOT ANYMORE (sniff), BUT THANKS FOR ASKING.
Only I thought you wern’t cynical enough.
I pay my car tax etc.etc..
But like I said, the bridge is paid for 1000 times over.
Try getting from blanch to sandyford any otherway
“Try getting from blanch to sandyford any otherway”
– I’d rather pay the €2.10.
And apparently, you would, too.
shur you could walk it altogether..go way out of it Rob.
Gouged left right and centre and we have Rob telling people they want to be gouged.
If you think €2.10 is too much to save 30-45 mins of your time – don’t pay it, go via town instead.
Given the number of people who use the bridge every day, it seems that most people think it is a fair price to pay. And I personally think it is fairer that the people who benefit from the infrastructure pay directly for it, rather than it being paid for out of general taxation.
Kind of like the provision of water services ; )
The point being missed is repeadelty… why are we paying a toll to use it in the first instance.
Is that road not paid for yet?
That’s the thing when you sign up to the gouging, it tends to continue indefinitely.
And because people are forced to use it to save 2 hours off their day doesnt mean they think it’s fair.
People pay to go on the bus, people pay to go on the train… why wouldn’t you pay to go on the motorway?
€4.20 to save two hours of your day??? – what a bargain!
The compliance on LPT is very high, everyone must think they are paying a fair price eh? They pay it because they HAVE to.
@Boj –
basically, yes (people would be put off buying property if it was too high).
There are alternatives to using the M50; but the M50 is much quicker, so people are prepared to pay to use it. It’s a 100% elective tax.
“People pay to go on the bus, people pay to go on the train… why wouldn’t you pay to go on the motorway?”
Cause your driving your own taxed & fuelled car… at his stage rob yer just bored.
I pay income tax already, why should I pay to take the Dart? Because that’s the way it works.
If you object to it paying the toll that much, you can always avoid it completely by not using toll roads, as I have explained to you several times already.
sling your hook
Make better arguments.
You first.
rob ive been on this site from pretty much day 1 under some guise or another.
i may not post as much as I did.. but i have seen posts from you before..quite active on the whole pro water charges thing.. you come across as a bit of a windup merchant..
im not on this particular thread to argue the cause whether i should adopt a like it or lump approach to the questionable laws of the land
i said what my experience was & how i dealt with it
i posted links to show others why its a cash cow which intially set up to pay for the bridge has being increasing ever since
so not for or against.. just psoting a few facts & let folk know they are gettn ridden
looks like yer busy on the water charges thread now…
so like i said ,,, sling yer hook
well done you.
I’ve explained why I think tolls are a good way to pay for things; you can either agree or disagree with as you want.
Given that so many people are still willing to pay the toll to use the bridge over the M50, it would seem that they find the toll good value for money (whether they acknowledge this or not).
people keep buying petrol for their cars. people keep paying rent..people keep paying 50-70 quid a pop for a visit to a doctor..people keep paying car insurance. people keep paying for bins, property tax, house insurance, life insurance, health insurance.. because people keep doing things doesn’t mean it’s good value for money.
adding 2+ hours a day to your day doesn’t offer much choice for people.
Credit when it’s due…
Nicely and precisely put, Anne.
When your claimed credentials begin with ‘I’ve been here since Day One in one form or another…’
– Sorry pal, you have no credential.
None at all.