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New Dublin Bus fares, starting tomorrow

RTÉ reports:

“Cash fares for many Iarnród Éireann, Luas, Dublin Bus and Bus Éireann services will increase from tomorrow.”

“Minister for Transport Paschal Donohoe said that level of the increases was “significantly less” than previous increases.”

“As Irish Rail, Bus Éireann and Dublin Bus begin to get back on their feet again, because of more people using their services and because of additional investment from the Government, I am expecting that those sort of price increases that we saw in previous years are not repeated,” Mr Donohoe said.”

Many cash fares to rise for commuters (RTÉ)

Previously: Pulling Out All The Stops

Meanwhile On De Bus

Fare Prey

Pic: Dublin Bus

42 thoughts on “Extract Change Only

  1. JogOn

    Further disincentive to take public transport into town unfortunately. It’ll cost two people coming from Rathmines €10.80 return. That would cover the cost of parking for a few hours in even the more expensive spots.

    1. dav

      It’s all part of the Thatcherite plan by the blueshirts to wreck public transport and then sell off any of the more profitable routes, probably to redacted.

  2. jungleman

    It seems counter-intuitive to increase fares, which surely acts as a disincentive to take public transport. Why don’t they decrease fares and increase the number of buses? This would make public transport far more attractive to people, thus increasing profits, freeing up traffic and decreasing emissions.

    1. Zaccone

      Decrease income and increase expenditure? Genius!

      I’d wager they’ve done an analysis on the elasticity of demand on fares and reasoned that it makes more economic sense to raise fares, even if they lose a few passengers.

      1. Joe cool

        They have done it in scandanavian countries. flat rate on public transport. It’s encouraged so many people back to using public transport, that they’ve had to bring back lots if old buses to meet the demands

      2. jungleman

        Ryanair expanded based on a model of low cost and high passenger numbers. What I have suggested above makes perfect sense. Your attitude is that of a person who should never go into business.

          1. jungleman

            No but it’s along those lines. I know that they have a specific average passenger number to hit across the board. If they hit that target, they profit.

            I get that they change the fares based on demand. But in Dublin bus, we seem to see fare increases despite the passenger numbers being extremely high on many routes, so high that the buses are usually overcrowded at peak times.

          2. Rob_G

            The demand for Dublin Bus’s services is a loss less elastic than Ryanair’s demand; people won’t bother taking a weekend in Copenhagen if Ryanair’s fares are above a certain point, but most commuters who need to get to work will little other options than to pay the increased fare.

      3. jungleman

        By the way, I never suggested that they decrease income. I suggested that they reduce fares and increase passenger numbers, thereby increasing income.

  3. 15 cents

    haha, defending the increase by saying its not as big as previous increases .. its still an increase .. what, are increases mandatory or something? its like stabbing someone, and then stabbing them again a few months later but saying its ok coz it wasnt as deep. the only thing worse than his bandy logic, is that nothing can be done about it.. people like this still operate and control the country .. and we cant do a damned thing about it. incredibley frustrating.

    1. Rob_G

      Well, increases are necessary for every product and service in the long-run; are you familiar with the concept of ‘inflation’?

    1. manolo

      Yes, buy the card, pay them for weeks of travel in advance, entertain their bureaucratic processes if you can’t tag off at your dart destination, lose the refund if you don’t claim it within the time limit they impose on you, even though the money you paid them with had no expiry date, have a permanently €5 held by them because they say so. Oh, and let them think YOU are saving money with the annual tax saver ticket scam.

      I would probably think it is all OK if I hadn’t experienced much better systems. This is a service FOR the public servants, regular people can pay and STFU.

      1. ahjayzis

        Is it really true with the LEAP that you have to actually *talk* to the bus driver on boarding?

        Thus making it less efficient than the crappy paper tickets of the past?

        1. lolly

          leap card is brilliant. don’t knock it until you try it. It was leap cards that got me back using public transport.
          obviously you have to talk to the driver, otherwise you would have to install a new machine that asked you where you were going etc. that really would slow everything down. yes one fare any journey would be great but it is a hell of a lot further to Tallaght than say Harold Cross.

          1. ahjayzis

            It’s actually gotta be SLOWER boarding than the old tickets, though? They actually were flat fare/trip if you remember.

            Sorry, after using the Oyster and now my own contactless bank card that sounds like stone-age nonsense.

          2. MajorThrill

            Using the LEAP at the driver? Yeah. There’s less realising you’ve forgotten to get the fare ready and rooting around in your pockets but two or three people will swipe on at the automatic reader in the time it takes the driver to process the card and roll the dice in his head to randomly decide how many stages your trip involves.

            I think you can put any of the prepaid tickets on the card though. I don’t know how far a rambler will get you on the LUAS though but I doubt they’ve gone that far in the auld joined up thinking stakes.

        2. MajorThrill

          I get 30 day ramblers on mine and I just tag on when I’m getting on, no need to tag off or talk to anyone.
          It might not be the most cash efficient ticket but I’m lazy and I don’t want to have to remember to tag off or talk to anyone.

    2. phil

      Thats it in one, Mr T. I believe that the government parties are fully behind the cashless society , and I believe you will see some tweaks in other areas of this society to encourage this soon from what Ive been told. Id normally be totally against anything this government is pushing but as Ill likely be PAYE forever it makes little difference to me.

      It may be hard on the brown envelope , tradesmen crowds though…

  4. Guessing Second

    Nice: looks like they’ve merged the old 4-7 stages and 8-13 stages brackets. So, for some folks, the fares have actually come down by 10c.

    Old cash fares:
    Stages 1- 3 €1.95
    Stages 4 – 7 €2.55
    Stages 8- 13 €2.80
    Over 13 Stages €3.30
    Xpresso €3.60
    Route 90 €1.95
    City Centre Fare €0.75

  5. John

    impressive in a year that their main cost oil halves they still manage to get through a price increase. What a joke.

  6. meadowlark

    Now I’m not defending them, or the fare increase, but I was under the impression that the government has cut their funding to such a degree that the public transport in this country is funded in large part by customer fares now. Not only this, but these companies are expected to run at a profit, something that is not expected of other public transport systems, in other countries. That said, I could have the wrong end of the shtick altogether, so please correct me if I am wrong.

    1. Rob_G

      I think that you may have the wrong end of the stick – Dublin Bus receives a subvention from the Govt.

      1. BobbyJ

        A very low subvention compared to mainland European cities. Less than 10% of operating costs. European norm is between 40-45%

  7. Dublinentendre

    The whole ‘stages’ system is a nonsense- should be a flat rate for the city center and one for further journeys- nothing more.

    1. ahjayzis

      Or just a flat rate, since the travel time outside the city is actually way faster. You can go as far as you want in London on £1.50. Just average the fares/customer, increases for some, big decreases for others, voila.

  8. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    Nobody has mentioned the leaps and bounds that Dublin Bus has made recently with on-board announcements and prominent displays, constant video-surveillance to curb any misbehaviour, or even their free Wi-Fi which works a treat…

    But that’s none of my business.

    1. Weldoninhio

      The Free Wifi is patchy as anything. Constantly dropping. Their RTPI system is a joke, is down a lot of the time and generally wrong the rest of the time. Either that or a lot of buses are disappearing on their routes and they aren’t reporting it.

      Also, not sure if you live in a cave, but going from broadsheet and other news sources off the top of my head in the last while we’ve had a baby stuck with a syringe on a bus, a man beating the head off a female and her friend upstairs on the bus, a brawl that the driver jumped out of the bus from and a man punching a woman for wearing a head dress. Hardly curbing misbehaviour!!

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