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London receptionist Nicola Thorp, sent home from PwC for not wearing high heels

Some prominent businessmen feel
A woman should show off her heel
To please some old jerk
She puts up with at work
It makes Mad Men seem awfully real.

John Moynes

Pic Guardian

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169 thoughts on “A Limerick A Day

  1. Brian

    Can you please issue warnings that your hyperlinks bring you to the independent website

        1. Don Key Don G

          Actually your low grade trolling in fact is repetitive and belies an extreme neediness and desire for attention.

        1. Don Key Don G

          Thanks for explaining this to me. We’d be lost without you honestly to explain it all to us.

        2. Don Key Don G

          By the way we were all speaking to the misogyny in the idiotic SPANX reaction to an alleged incident of sexism not to the sexism. But to be honest I don’t really care to correct you in future so carry on trolling.

    1. Niamh

      Just because a woman implemented the sexist policy, doesn’t make it any less sexist. Requiring women only to wear heels is sexist.

      1. Daddy Wilson

        I went into work one day and my boss told me to put on my tie, I mean … I just feel so violated….

        I … I don’t know Homer Simpson…I’ve never met Homer Simpson….I…I’m sorry *sobs*

      2. Clampers Outside!

        I agree totally. But if a woman is making the policy….. eh?

        My point is, it is not just a male enforced policy. It is a company policy and there are at least two women on the global board of PWC.

        From Portico
        https://twitter.com/myPortico/status/730495445424803841
        “We have historically recommended plain court shoes for our female colleagues and have generally allowed plain flat shoes when requested”

        Clearly, fault would then lie at PWC’s feet. It was a PWC female manager who told Ms Thorp to where heels.

        Ignoring this means claims of sexism are based on half the facts.

        1. MoyestWithExcitement

          I don’t see why you think the gender of the person/people making this rule is in any way relevant. It is sexist to expect someone to wear a specific item of clothing because of their sex. Simples.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            No it is not.

            A man lost his case in the UK to be allowed ‘not’ wear a suit and tie because women don’t have to. In some jobs, a dress code is required, and there is a difference in what is accepted by male and female workers. And a company is allowed legally to enforce those rules as the job requires.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            OK, I *really* don’t understand where your head is at, Clamps. You’re saying that expecting women to wear heels isn’t sexism because men are expected to wear ties. Then you post a story about a man winning the right to not wear a tie on equality grounds. Do you not see how you’ve contradicted yourself?

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            “The contract he signed when he took the job”

            So sexist rules aren’t sexist if you write them on a piece of paper? You generally only get contracts AFTER you start your job as well. Are you aware of that? I’ve been in places 9 months before they got around to asking me to sign something.

            “It’s not what I think, it’s the job the person is contracting to do.”

            Unless their title is ‘Tie Wearer’, no it isn’t.

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            So say I’m a woman and I’ve got this job I really like. I’ve moved into a new apartment and new area and I’m making friends in the job. 9 months in, my boss hands me a piece of paper saying I have to wear heels. You’re telling me I should just walk out, leave my friends behind, negatively affect my career path and possibly run into trouble paying rent if I don’t want to wear heels? I should just now down to NY master, wha’?

    2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      So? Women can be idiots too.

      It should be made clear that this was not PWC (even though they are tossers), it was an agency (who are always tossers in my experience).

      1. Spaghetti Hoop

        Was interviewed by PWC once. I see now it was my footwear that eliminated me from selection. There are days when I’ve ended up on a mountain or in a massive puddle – heels no good to a girl when that happens.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          I think you dodge a bullet there Hoop! PWC turns people into total a$^hats

          1. Don Key Don G

            I think you should have asked for feedback why you got the boot Hoop, warts and all.

          2. Spaghetti Hoop

            @Don Key
            No, I was glad I didn’t get it.
            They were looking for a designer (back in the 90s it was).
            So I asks them do they use Quark or Pagemaker?
            Microsoft Word they said.
            G’luck I said, and turned on my HEEL.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          And? See my point above, women can be idiots.

          It’s not clear who the “supervisor” was but the agency had the clause. PWC does a great line in peer-pressuring women into dressing a certain way but think they are smart enough to do it in a way that doesn’t instigate a discrimination case.

          PS “females” – no, just no

          1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            IT DOESN’T MATTER IF SHE WAS A WOMAN OR NOT STOP TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE IT MATTERS

    3. Anne

      “She was told to put them on… by a woman.

      Just to be clear.”

      See what I mean? Latent misogynistic tendencies and I know just how it can be addressed too…

      1. Clampers Outside!

        How is that latent Anne, seriously?

        PWC has two women on it’s global board.
        they hired Portico, and Portico do not enforce a policy of heels unless requested by the client, PWC.

        PWC insisted she wear heels. PWC insistence came from a female manager.

        Arguing against the mainstream outrage over what is an important factor – the accusation that it a male only enforced policy is a lie. It’s a corporation, one with women at the top making rules WITH the men.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          Where is anyone saying this was a “male enforced policy”? Are you wearing a tin foil hat today or something?

          1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Nowhere does that BBC article say that.

            I don’t know what you are on today…..

          2. Clampers Outside!

            True Don, no decent article does, but just go on the web…. it’s a man’s fault, apparently.

            I get so fuppin’ mad when it’s automatically a man’s fault. And that’s what is going on on the internet.

            So, here goes…. my bias revealed…

            Having lived through sustained abuse from my partner for six to seven years. (I’ve only ever mentioned that on here once before, I don’t particularly wish to divulge anymore that that at this time, in all fairness.)

            But, I admit it may have a resulting reactionary bias from me when these type stories break…. and then blame is put on men, which IS happening across the web.
            That’s why I blow me top…. and lose the run of myself. Sorry for getting too emotionally involved, it happens, and it has clouded my comments, much of which I will still stand by.

            When women cry “sexism”… everyone immediately thinks “what did the man do?”. And then they go on the attack of men. I reacted to this. yes, women can be sexist, but you woudn’t think that the way the attacks on men start.

            I have been pwnd for some of what i’ve said. Fair enough, but I will continue to point out what I see as false accusations of ‘male sexism towards women’ of which this is certainly one.

            Hopefully that clears up most of what I have said….

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            “When women cry “sexism”… everyone immediately thinks “what did the man do?””

            When black people speak up about racism, do you worry that all white people will be victimised? Do you think ‘Hey, no fair. Everyone is blaming all white people.’?

          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            I’m sorry for that Clampers and completely understand how one can react in a certain way to things – there are issues on here that are frequently discussed that are extremely difficult for me, and probably others to see but important to be discussed none the less.

            You are super clued up on how you react and why and I can only hope that you can try and get to the stage where you experience provides insight rather than a emotional reaction that others find hard to see through (not that this won’t ever happen, because it will always happen from my experience).

            Our comments have been regarding that what you are claiming has not happened in the major news stories. Yes, people talk sh%$%^ on the internet – it’s what we do here all day after all but again, no one has said it was a man. People also aren’t surprised it was a woman who sent her home because we all have the capacity to make the wrong decision.

            Now, give us a hug, ya big gallah :)

          5. Anne

            Ah I get it now Clampers…. did she make you wear heels? Sorry, just messin’ .

            Cmere, how did you get rid of her? Any tips? Were the guards any use?

          6. Nigel

            I’m really sorry to hear about that Clampers. An emotional response like that is totally understandable.

          7. Clampers Outside!

            Ta Don, Broadsheet has been very therapeutic for me, and I mean that in all seriousness.
            When I first started using BS I was still trapped in that relationship, BS was my escape, it kept me sane.

            [ PS the quote I gave with the BBC link was just some commenter, not the author, that was my mistake. I guess I saw what I wanted to see. Emotions eh… feckin’ things get in the way sometimes. ]

            No @Moyest, I don’t think blacks crying racist, blames all whiteys.

            Now where’s that camomile :)

          8. MoyestWithExcitement

            Grand. So hopefully you see now that women crying sexism aren’t blaming all men.

          9. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Same here, BS is a pain the a&^% sometimes but can also be a wonderful place. I’m not sure if you have, and excuse me for maybe overstepping, but therapy can be a wonderful place to discuss and get rid of some of these emotions. I know a fantastic person in Dublin if that’s where you are and happy to pass on details through BS.

            Moyest – not now yeah?

          10. Spaghetti Hoop

            *drops massive bag of puns and hugs Clamps. Good riddance to her the oul bully.

          11. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Don’t do your usual right now yeah? That took guts to say.

          12. MoyestWithExcitement

            My usual? So you take a personal jibe put of nowhere and try to take the moral highground with it? You are utterly mental.

          13. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            That is exactly what I mean.

            Read back over what was said, recognise it for what it is, and let it go.

          14. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Grand. So hopefully you see now that women crying sexism aren’t blaming all men.”

            That was my last post to him, the one that prompted you to say ‘not now’. It was completely civil. You decided to make this about me because you are mental.

          15. Nigel

            C’mon, Moyest. Let it go. Tony’ll be along shortly and you can badger him til he starts typing LOL THIS IS HILARIOUS the way Jack Torrance types ALL WORK AND NO PLAY.

          16. Clampers Outside!

            I did counseling Don, quite a bit, for the relationship issues and the bad habits I developed in coping with that relationship – group and one to one. I was a year in group before I got the one to one sessions specifically to deal with the relationship ‘baggage’ and I found it absolutely brilliant. In all, across two years I had three weekly counseling sessions, sometimes running simultaneously, one to one (back west), group (in Dublin) and a second one to one (in Dublin), all three at one point or another suggested that I had symptoms similar to ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ due to my inability to admit that I was in an abusive relationship in the first place (it was never said I had SS, btw), and this all the while knowing and remembering clear as day receiving a whack from my partner that lifted me off my feet and sent me sliding down the hall corridor on my back… I remember that particular moment like a cartoon sucker punch. It’s so fupped up. It was mostly manipulation… mental, emotional and only physical near in the last couple of years, and even that was rare.

            Anyway…. I’ve said enough.

          17. MoyestWithExcitement

            Nige, Don took an innocuous and civil comment from me and used it as an opportunity to bash me a week after a row. I think you need to readdress your ‘let it go’ comment to Don.

          18. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Well, I’m glad you have sought help and that it helped in some way. Best piece of advice I was ever given is make sure you are kind to yourself, both emotionally in letting yourself have moments when you need to and not feeling bad about it and also treats :)

            You take care of yourself xxx

          19. Clampers Outside!

            And there you have it…. no wonder men who’ve been through the mill as I have usually keep their mouth shut.

            I spoke up to clear the air, and shine a light on my own bias.

            You’re the pathetic one mate.

          20. Don Key Don G

            Sure I am.
            I’m the one making redundant points about women enforcing male patriarchy and everyday sexism and then trying to pass it off as well some girl gave me a few slaps once. Besides this isn’t really the time or the place to come out as an abuse victim, sorry if that sounds like a harsh criticism but you need the help of trained professionals to overcome your issues, not the positively underwhelming perspectives of everyday truculent pissants moaning for momma into a website like most of them on here.

          21. Clampers Outside!

            ” Grow a pair of balls FFS ” ….is the very thing that perpetuates the issue I am dealing with. So, yes, ‘pathetic’ is appropriate.
            I already set the table straight on my rant. Having you repeating it as if you said it is also pathetic, and demonstrates clearly you know nothing of the issue you speak in relation to the nuance and sensitive nature of it all.

            Bye now

          22. Nigel

            It certainly took a bare minimum of courage to speak up and become a target for casual cruelty like yours. I don’t think you’re sorry if it came off as harsh criticism at all, because it wasn’t criticism, it was just harshness because you saw a victim you could target, it was calculated to be dismissive and hurtful. It was abusive.

          23. Don Key Don G

            Whatever

            Here’s another OMFG self important moralistic nobody on the internet desperately trying to police the conversation. Just ignore my comments if they are not to your taste.

        2. Nigel

          It’s like the treatment of single mothers in Ireland couldn’t possibly have been misogynist because there were nuns enforcing it.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            That treatment wasn’t mysogyny. That was a societal failure. Not one based on gender, but on the treatement of pregnancy outside marriage by ALL Catholics, men and women.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            So why weren’t any men locked up in laundries as slaves for decades then?

          3. Clampers Outside!

            Because of Catholicism and other religious nonsense about those women being sinners, and if the Catholic church did not instill such ideas in society, then things would have been handled differently.

            Stop with the strawmen please, I have a dry box of matches.

          4. Nigel

            The Catholic Church in all its majesty locked up men and women alike who bore children out of wedlock.

            (Have to say I’m slightly mind-boggled because you seem to be suggesting the Catholic Church and, indeed, Irish society wasn’t misogynistic, it just had a poor approach to natal care for single parents.)

          5. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Because of Catholicism and other religious nonsense about those women being sinners,”

            So it’s not misogyny because the people who came up with these ideas were priests?

          6. Anne

            Because of Catholicism and other religious nonsense about those women being sinners

            You’re addressing the effect Clampers.. The cause was a fear/hatred of women.

  2. Supercrazyprices

    As long as they make the men wear them to so it’s not viewed as sexist.

  3. Gorev Mahagut

    In 2014 leaked documents revealed that PwC were involved in designing tax avoidance schemes for multinational corporations. In an email one PwC partner boasted “”What the heck. We’ll all be retired when this . . . comes up on audit. Baby boomers have their fun and leave it to the kids to pay for it.” No one was fired.

    In the 1990s Willie Nelson sued PwC for putting his money into arrangements that had been disallowed by the revenue service. PwC settled for an undisclosed amount. No one was fired.

    In 2015 Tesco dropped PwC as company auditors for failing to identify overstatement of profits. No one was fired.

    In 2016 a temporary secretary refused to wear high heels. She was dismissed immediately.

    1. James Chimney

      “None of them received a hero’s welcome, none of them, none of them”

      You’ll have me humming Paul Hardcastle all day now! Hope you’re happy!

    1. Don Key Don G

      I’ve tried it – for eight minutes. It’s not an experience I’d care to repeat – even for your sexual gratification

  4. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    ‘some old jerk’ is a horrible phrase
    But sure what’s not allowed nowadays?
    When I was a kid
    ‘An oul’ wank’s what WE did
    Our Mothers thought it was ‘a phase.

  5. rotide

    This isn’t misogyny and its not reeeeally sexism. It’s a stupid dress code.

    A lot of places have dress codes. A lot of them are stupid.

    Dress styles differ between the sexes. If a man insisted on wearing a pencil skirt, he’d probably be sent home too.

    Bottom line is that as they said, she signed up to the dress code. She could have refused the job on the grounds she’d have to wear heels but didnt.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      It is stupid. But it wouldn’t be sexist if both men and women were asked to wear heels.

      1. Don Key Don G

        I’d probably gladly wear heels of course if the pay was commensurate. That said these giddy idiots here feel obliged to tell you Don that that is what’s going on here – it’s just a standard job contractual requirement like you know filing your nails etc. As you correctly point out though it’s a gender specific job requirement

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          FFS Clamps, yes it is. Women can be sexist as well as men.

          Something something Diet Coke ad for example?

        2. MoyestWithExcitement

          It is, yeah. If they’re asking her to wear something BECAUSE OF HER SEX, that’s SEXIST.

        3. Clampers Outside!

          OK Don and Moyest, let’s be clear then that it is NOT men’s fault. If ye are happy with that, then so am I.

          And I’ll happily leave it there. The only I really want to make is that this is not a problem enforced by men in this instance.

          I do accept women can be sexist too.

          My reason for going off on one is the vast majority of moans on the internets are blaming men for this. Which is totally wrong.

          I presume you would both agree it is wrong to so too….

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            “My reason for going off on one is the vast majority of moans on the internets are blaming men for this. Which is totally wrong.

            I presume you would both agree it is wrong to so too….”

            Jesus Christ. I don’t get this kind of thinking. It’s like the UN thread yesterday of the black Irish rappers thread a few weeks ago where people get *personally* offended by things that have nothing to do with them. Sexism is real, Clamps. It is an idea. Just because that idea influences women doesn’t make it any less the fault of men. However, NOBODY is saying YOU are responsible for PWC’s dress code. You know that, yeah?

          2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            None of the UK papers I have seen have blamed this on men. The woman in questioned hasn’t even blamed men. You are going off on one based on your own interpretation of something no one has said.

            “OK Don and Moyest, let’s be clear then that it is NOT men’s fault. If ye are happy with that, then so am I.”

            You seem keen to point this out and yet blame it on the female supervisor for some reason. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

          3. Nigel

            Holy toledo, was this really a #Notallmenenforcesexistdresscodes riff? If even sensible ol’ Clampers can fall for this, what hope humanity?

          4. Clampers Outside!

            I am a ball of contradiction sometimes, and I have let emtion get the better of me.

            But, men are being blamed for this. As you point out, not on official news channels, but on social media etc. by users.

            Thanks Nigel, for seeing me as sensible, at least some times :)

            * camomile tea pronto *

            I need to step away from the keyboard…. for a bit.

          5. MoyestWithExcitement

            A woman is unfairly punished because of patriarchal sexist rules but men are the real victims here.

    2. Don Key Don G

      Brain dead reactionary male troll comments on something he will never experience

      Least interesting comment in thread so far in line with usual standard for said commenter

    3. MoyestWithExcitement

      “This isn’t misogyny and its not reeeeally sexism. It’s a stupid dress code…….Dress styles differ between the sexes”

      :D

      “If a man insisted on wearing a pencil skirt, he’d probably be sent home too.”.

      Yes, a man wearing a skirt is just like a woman wearing flat soles. Again, NOT sexist.

    4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      Also, I’ve worked in agencies and on reception and while there is a dress code (i.e. dress smartly), never has it included needing to wear heels. I would have refused as well.

      1. rotide

        Look, I’m not arguing that it’s not a stupid dress code, it is.

        You hopefully would have refused when you saw it in the contract rather than turning up and expecting to have it your way.

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          I know you aren’t. It”s hard to say what I would have done tbh, at that time, I would have had to take any job I could get (recession etc). I probably would have signed anyway and not worn them and chanced my arm rather than not being able to pay the rent/eat etc.

          It’s not “having it your own way”, that’s a over reaction to what this is. There is no reason to wear them, it’s not a health and safety issue (if anything it is damaging her health) and it is sexist and stupid. The agency itself agrees and is reviewing it’s guidelines (aka backsliding into 2016) and hopefully many others are. Tbf to the agency, they are probably doing it because they think corporates want this.

        2. Nigel

          No, you’re arguing that it’s not misogynist. I don’t understand why. It can’t not be. Just because the Clare in Jurassic World was able to fight dinosaurs wearing them doesn’t mean she shouldn’t have been able to slip into a decent pair of runners if she wanted to.

          1. rotide

            sigh.

            You can make a good argument that it’s sexist. Don and others above have.

            Saying it’s misogynistic is ridiculous.

          2. Nigel

            What male authority died and made you boss of what’s misogynistic? Someone above made the possibly deliberately fatuous comparison to being obliged to wear a tie. Can you imagine? Men: wear a strip of material around your collar. Women: wear a tottering vice of awkwardness and pain. No misogyny detectable there! Sigh.

          3. rotide

            Noone made me boss of anything.

            I do own a dictionary however and nothing here suggests anyone hates women. Now you and your white stallion can have all the opinions about this you want, but sexism is one thing, misogyny is another altogether.

            As for the other thing, the tie thing is completely valid. Different sexes, different dress codes.
            Men: Wear that thing a huge majority of you wear at certain times out of choice
            Women: Wear that thing a huge majority of you wear at certain times out of choice

            Is it right? No. Is it because THE WORLD HATES WOMEN AND WANTS THEM TO REMAIN CHATTELS OF SLAVERY?

            No.

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            “white stallion”

            I think that sums up this fella’s attitude towards women quite succinctly.

          5. Nigel

            Why was there a dress code?
            No, no, you’re right, being obliged to walk around in uncomfortable, painful, damaging footwear if you’re a woman is totally and exactly and equivalent to being obliged to wear a tie if you’re a man. The dress code in all its majesty obliges men and women alike to occasionally loosen their knot or bandage their bleeding feet. Totally the same thing and if it’s the same thing it can’t be misogyny, can it?

          6. rotide

            Fantastic hyperbole there nige, you should go ahead and compare it to the magdelene laundries again, that should play well.

          7. Nigel

            haha yeah the very idea that there might be substantial physical differences between wearing high heels all day at work and wearing a tie all day is crazy hyperbolic, isn’t it?

  6. Frilly Keane

    PriceWankCoopers be better served filtering out some of their Suits
    And worry less about what the girls are walking around in

  7. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    part two of a series of two, written while part one was ‘awaiting moderation. ‘.

    Excuse me my linguistical frolics
    I’m not really two alcoholics
    I’m just seeing double
    -Don’t mean any trouble
    But I can’t understand the double-standards that apply on this site.

    You can wink ’til you go blind but you can’t have a ʞuɐʍ? Jerk off.

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            I mean, I could make some meat based comments now but then I’d have to take a shower. Not because of the sexy, just clichés bring me out in a rash.

  8. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    I’m brilliant at the limerick’s. Watch this…
    ahem…

    Look at me Mammy, I am on the Broadsheet
    And posting some rhyming lines underneath beneath with my feet.
    A pic of a lovely-looking English girl who’s obviously way too pretty
    To be from Limerick ‘city’
    As they say in Newcastle, ‘Am ah reet?’

    Beat that Moynsey.
    You have until tomorrow.

  9. some old queen

    I think the real issue is highlighted in that photograph. There is a bit more to this story I expect. I don’t think this is sexist at all. A bit of common sense wouldn’t go amiss here.

    Heels in that picture look more professional not because they are heels but because they are smart. The flats look tacky and cheap. There is a happy medium although with the current all or nothing trend you wouldn’t think it.

    I know a girl who works in a similar environment and she has back problems. She wears smart brogues and looks great, better than some of them tottering around in 6″ heels. Some of them just look like hookers.

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      Funny thing is, I saw her flats and thought they looked crap, but that’s not the issue here. I’m sure if she bought heels for the job, they would also have been crappy coz they were work shoes and she wouldn’t bother spending money on them. Cheap shoes generally look cheap.

      1. some old queen

        Yes but heels tend to look less cheap. I’m a queen so I know these things.

        Besides, I see girls in really classy brogues all the time now and they are far more professional than someone who looks like they are heading off to do a friggen pole dance session.

        1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

          Well I’m a lady so it’s a draw.
          I never really wear heels as I’m an inch off 6 feet so don’t need ’em. When I do wear them I career around like a newly-born gazelle, which nobody needs to see.

        2. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          Should queen do a BS fashion section?

          First up – brown shoes – hideous identifier or braying idiots or class? Discuss (10 marks)

  10. some old queen

    Correction Don. Smart black brogues for business wear, just the same as men. Even sketchers are now doing them ffs.

  11. J

    Brown shoes & Navy Suit
    Uniform of the Essex boy
    Uniform of the Irish Boyo ( with notions of grandeur )
    Gait : bandy-legged & “driven by a deeper force”

    Dr. J

  12. Peter Dempsey

    A lot of snideness towards people who work in corporate world – accountants, bankers etc.

    Why am I not surprised?

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