69 thoughts on “A Limerick A Day

    1. ivan

      I don’t think he said that *precisely* but he certainly more-than-suggested that a rape victim should accept *a* level of responsibility for what happens to them.

      I suppose the thinking is that it’s akin to ‘well if you leave your front door open, shouldn’t you expect to have your telly nicked?’ And no doubt your insurance company will probably say that if you try and make a claim on the policy for it.

      However, here’s the thing, if you’re the little scrote who nicked the telly and you use the defence ‘but the front door was open, what was I to do?’ a judge won’t accept that as a defence. Nicking tellys is wrong, period. and no amount of open front doors makes it right, or even less wrong. As a general guideline, you don’t have a right to take what’s not yours.

      1. TheRealJane

        Also, it’s worth bearing in mind that women aren’t consumer objects. We have no choice about detaching parts of our bodies and locking them away for safekeeping – they don’t work like that.

        Contrary to what Hooky reckons, women’s bodies aren’t some kind of free for all where different people have claim to different bits depending on how they happen to come across them.

      2. Spaghetti Hoop

        “….you don’t have a right to take what’s not yours.”
        So if consensual, he or she is ‘yours’??

        1. ivan

          I’m purely talking about tellies here, Hoop, and trying to compare (perhaps a mite clumsily) that self-justification of ones actions and taking the line (“but sure what did you expect to happen…”) isn’t correct. Theft is the removal of a persons property without their permission, regardless of the front door being open, is still theft, and the leaving of the front door open doesn’t reduce the criminality of the act; the victim isn’t to blame.

    1. TheRealJane

      It’s funny though, if we take the logic, the trick is to discourage men from drinking, thereby reducing their risk of committing rape, sexual assault, common assault, murder and other crimes.

      It would also make men far less likely to be victims of crime.

      Women rarely run the risk of becoming criminals in drink and this should help us to see where our censorious energy should be directed.

        1. TheRealJane

          Not really. If you read the abstract of the study you linked to, you’ll see the list of exclusions they’re using. This will give you some hint as to why it’s a useless study.

          There is only one factor causing rape – the presence of a rapist. No other factor will reliably cause a rape. A woman can’t compel a rape by drinking alcohol.

          1. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            Reading the conclusion is like reading the blurb on the back of a book. Gives you a hint but no context, Try harder, please.

          2. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            No, which is why [it is] part of harm reduction campaigns. It is also why there [are] over 160 studies into the problem.

            But sure, send you kids out let them get blind, paralytic drunk. When they get hit by a bus, abused, assaulted, or worse murdered due to having no control, ability to perceive risk, or even escape a bad situation, You can rest easy, that you did all in your power to educate them as to the dangers of society.

          3. Nigel

            I put it to you that equipping all kids and young people with the right knowledge and advice about how to be safe is actually separate from dealing with a culture that has, since time immemorial, gone out of its way to blame women for being raped. One is about day to day life and socialising. The other is about the attribution of some portion of responsibility to the victim after a violent crime has been committed on them by someone else. You have, in fact, missed the point, as did Hook.

          4. Nigel

            Warn kids of the dangers associated with sex drugs and alcohol all you want – I’ll do the same, no doubt – but the only pertinent personal responsibility when it comes to an act of rape is that of the rapist.

          5. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Why does a girl who just meets a fella in a bar go back to a hotel room? She’s only just barely met him. She has no idea of his health conditions, she has no idea who he is, no idea what dangers he might pose,”

            That’s blame.

        2. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

          No, it is being aware of risk – and then ignoring the risk or not even seeing the risk as drink removes so many safety mechanisms – its kind of why we don’t drink and drive.

          It’s called common sense

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            No, it’s blame. Saying to/about a girl *after* she was raped ‘Well what were you doing trusting a stranger’ is blame.

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        “It would also make men far less likely to be victims of crime.”

        Yeah, that’s something I’ve not thought about before; I don’t know the data but I’d say there’s a decent chance that more men are physically attacked by randomers than women are sexually assaulted by randomers but you don’t hear any “advice” about drinking for a male victim who’s been bottled in the back of the head.

        1. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

          Actually, yes you do.
          It is widely promoted across many countries it is also why plastic is served after a certain time.

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            Actually you don’t. You see bars taking steps to prevent alcohol fulled violence. You do not see people in the media advise male victims of violence to not drink or go to nightclubs though.

          2. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            No, it is some weird place on the earth where the people are from another planet and there could not possibly be a place for awareness campaigns.

            And ‘Snowflake’ you just helped validate the study I posted earlier.

          3. A snowflake's chance in hell

            How did I do that Pádraig a dhuine uasail?

            I’m just a ‘lay’ person, I drink too much and then I ‘lay’

            please mansplain it all to me again

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            We’re talking in Ireland about Irish culture towards women. Also, that ad is aimed at men who cause trouble when drunk. It is not aimed at male victims of violence while drunk. Try again.

          5. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            If you read the study Snowflake it would be obvious. No mansplaining needed. Try and -ism next time – always a great go to.

          6. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            There is some around general violence and nightclub violence MoyestWithExcitement – but men beating up men while drunk, is not top of the awareness campaigns. More with death can be one punch and that kind of thing.

            But anyway, carry on with the ‘culture’ argument as it really is unique to Ireland.

            Don’t make me point, to the sarcasm.

          7. MoyestWithExcitement

            “men beating up men while drunk, is not top of the awareness campaigns.”

            Yeah that’s my point. We tell female victims of assault to not get drunk. We do not say that to male victims of assault. We say it to male *perpetrators* of assault but not the victims.

          1. Nigel

            Nothing in that artice to contradict my comments which were general rather than a specific response to the article itself. Rape reduction always seems to focus on changing the behaviour of female victims.

          2. Nigel

            Why would that be the case? Placing responsibility for rape avoidance on female victims is not something that has ever been notably correlated to scientific studies.

          3. Pádraig Ó Raghaill

            True, as academics we don’t conflate ‘blame’ and risk reduction. Only lay people seem to do that.

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Why does a girl who just meets a fella in a bar go back to a hotel room? She’s only just barely met him. She has no idea of his health conditions, she has no idea who he is, no idea what dangers he might pose,”

            That’s not friendly advice about risk reduction. That’s an emotional rant implying the girl should have expected danger and is thus worthy of scorn for her decision. He’s basically calling her stupid.

  1. postmanpat

    This guy is going nowhere. His old school views, including all the stuff that has been discredited/disproven over the years are part of his appeal to the old baby boomers who listen to his show. He will get alternative sponsorship. Newstalk will cut someone else a deal. I listen to this guy when stuck in my car from time to time when there’s no good tunes playing on the other stations. You can tell by the why he talks that he hates women, he always came across as a repressed old queen who looked down on women the same way old school nuns do, so I don’t know why everyone is all of a sudden getting up in arms. Id love to see him out on his ear , but its never going to happen.

    1. Brain warp

      Agree Pat. I don’t think he hates women as you say but I’d say he has very low understanding of them. I don’t understand how he still has any job anyway as most of what he goes for is obsolete these days but clearly he does bring in the advertising revenue

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        A journalist (I think she was) mentioned on twitter yesterday that aul Georgie asked her what size her bra was off air. Off Air! That’s pretty creepy. I suppose there’s a small chance he’s asked that question of childish curiosity and an austistic understanding of social etiquette but more likely he’s just a creepy old man with a severe dose of white male privilege.

        1. Brain warp

          Glad for you you are able to psychologically analyse someone that you’ve never met. If a woman asked another woman her bra size no one would bat an eyelid or label it creepy. Maybe he was just trying to make conversation? Someone who looks for the “creepy” in every simple exchange obviously has body esteem issues to begin with.

          1. TheRealJane

            I’ve never been asked about my bra size by a woman in a professional context.

            It doesn’t happen, no matter what porn leads you to imagine.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Maybe he was just trying to make conversation?”

            Like I said; “I suppose there’s a small chance he’s asked that question of childish curiosity and an austistic understanding of social etiquette but”

            I get the trolling mate, but when the trolling makes *you* look like a creep and/or an idiot, you’re not doing very well.

          3. Janet, I ate my avatar

            I would bat an eye lid if a woman who wasn’t a close friend or shop assistant asked.
            The only time I’d expect it from a man is because he’s my fella and wanted to buy a gift.
            You live in a strange world where some auld fella gets to ask without getting a slap.

          4. Brain warp

            to be fair Moyest you did qualify your comments with a great jab at victims of autism as well showing where your true sympathies lie and what your heart actually contains – sulphur.

          5. Brain warp

            Hi Janet I live in the real world. A lad like Hook who by his own admission had a repressive deeply catholic upbringing might simply be unaware that such a topic is not really kosher in a professional context. Especially given he’s lived most of his life in the domain of professizonal rugby and broadcasting, neither noted for their commitment to gender diversity. While I refuse to see the “creep” factor in every social faux pas and unwelcome or unprofessional behaviour, I accept your position that such an example is inappropriate. Jaysus we’re all great people though aren’t we – when we always know just the right thing to say and not to say all the time? Our parents were amazing.

  2. postmanpat

    The reason he still has a job is because he is on during the traffic rush hour and a lot of people can only take so much of chart music, so they listen to this crank for a while instead. I disagree with everything he says but I’d rather listen to his backward rants than put up with Ed Sheeran or Adele while stuck in traffic. If anything, this latest stunt will have more people tuning in to see what else he might say. Then enough of them buy whatever item or service is advertised during his show as to make it impossible to sack him. If people really want to hurt this man, then they should boycott any product advertised during his show. Then, it wont matter how many phony apologies he makes.

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