View of Rathgar, Dublin 6, from a drone; The Rubberbandits avatar

As research for a podcast, Blindboy, of The Rubberbandits, tweeted a few questions to his followers.

He asked:

“…how many of ye are moving out of Dublin? Not because ye can’t find work. But because it’s too expensive. And where are ye moving?”

They’re answering in their droves…




Earlier: ‘The Apartment Is Shared With Seven Friendly People’


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32 thoughts on “Capital Loss

  1. Mr. Camomile T

    “Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, the last stream poisoned, and the last Millennial truly and utterly ravaged, will we realise we cannot eat money.”

      1. f_lawless

        You mean in a similar context as that book ‘Disaster Capitalism: Making a Killing Out of Catastrophe ‘?

  2. Bort

    I know loads people who have moved to London, certainly not because it’s cheaper to live but you can earn a sh1t tonne more money. London is where the hungriest go, the even hungrier go to NYC.

    The wages need to keep up with the price of rent and property, that where we keep going wrong

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      Weighted salaries for Dublin.
      At the end of the day, professionals want disposable income – they feel they deserve it for those years in college and/or climbing up through the ranks.

  3. class wario

    interesting to see so many people one would consider in the ‘creative’ class that are upping sticks. culture drain from dublin a real possibility.

    1. Mr. Camomile T

      Trying to survive in Dublin while working in the “Gig Economy” is practically impossible when we’re being told that buying “affordable” housing requires an income of €70k a year, and rent is eating up the vast majority of people’s wages.
      Can’t save for a deposit because your income in being spent on rent, and the bar is being set too high for what’s “affordable” anyway. This generation won’t, or can’t, be mugs for the Property Pyramid like the previous generation was.

  4. shayna

    Actually, that’s a pretty pertinent quote from Native Americans – they did sell Manhatten for a million bucks? I can’t afford to live in Dublin, despite being born there, Stillorgan. Belfast is a quarter of the price of Dublin for rent – although I do have to endure being called a Nordie?

  5. Pip

    Folk used to leave here for other reasons.
    Now being here is generally good, if you can afford somewhere to live but.

      1. Pip

        Indeed, Shayna. Was just recalling the ‘good old days’ when we left because of tedium, bleakness, lack of opportunity, price of most things, lack of choice, smell of generalised corruption and narrow mindedness etc.
        Rent, though, wasn’t really an issue.

        1. Termagant

          God it’d be great if tedium, narrow-mindedness and corruption were all that was wrong with the country this time around.

          1. some old queen

            Narrow-mindedness and corruption is pretty much what is driving the far right yes- how it is funded is the question you should be asking.

            In the mean time just keep flipping those approved names from the same email address on yeah?

            I’m thinking Dolly Parton for my next.

        2. Shayna

          I left – Uni, etc, in the mid 80s never really came back – now I’ve a funny accent, not really Irish, but not English, it’s not as bad as Graham McDoughall, the golfer, or your one from Derry in Girls Aloud. I speak English with a Scandanavian accent – apparenty? The Boomtown Rats with “Banana Republic “were scalding my ears. I squatted in London – it was certainly a rent thing there. My dad had a hardware store, I’m a tad handy around locks.

  6. newsjustin

    The other cities in the country – Cork, Limerick, Galway, etc would seem like better options. Although I know that’s not ideal either.

    I feel sorry for people from Dublin – or those who felt the need to move there – I just can’t fathom how those who are not very wealthy or on huge wages can afford to rent or buy there.

    Likewise I don’t see why international workers, outside of the super-well-paid bother moving there.

    1. some old queen

      I don’t feel sorry for people from Dublin- well not most of them. They can shack up with the mammy until things improve. In the mean time they have the benefit of the higher wages and better opportunities- it’s far from ideal because they are somewhat putting their lives on hold but at they do have the opportunity to save- which is more than most renters.

      On the other side, sooner or later, employers are going to realise that the pool of skill sets they have been drawing from is diminishing- I hate the word ‘talent’ btw- its not friggen X factor.

      1. Spaghetti Hoop

        You are so incorrect there soq. Not every Dubliner has either living parents or a parental home – that’s an ongoing myth that everyone has a mammy to run to, or would even consider it, for a rent-free life.

        Making sweeping statements like that about Dubliners is just as bad as Dubliners assuming workers from the rest of Ireland live on farms. It’s narrow-minded and wrong.

        Also, Dublin workers don’t automatically have higher salaries. I spent a few months last year searching for employment opportunities and comparing salaries and they are all over the place in the capital – not aligned with talent, skills and experience, but heavily weighted upon bachelor and master degrees…and that’s just on the surface. There are still corporations offering low salaries but throwing in benefits like insurance and gym memberships to attract their staff. Addresses, schools and contacts still mean something in certain industries in the city, like it or not. There is also massive competition from qualified migrants and returning highly-skilled emigrants to name but two groups. Because of short-term contract work and the digital hub that is Dublin, many feel they must stay here for job security – or simply want to for the quality of life it offers in terms of entertainment. That majority are both Dublin-born and from other counties.

    2. shayna

      It’s not great, but I discouraged someone moving to Dublin, she was Portuguese and I was in Portugal – she had no idea how much it costs to rent in Dublin. She’s gone anyway – I should be a politician, no-one listens to me.

  7. Mr.Fart

    the other effect of the cost of living etc., is the lower classes. if you strip everything away from middle and lower classes, middle classes move, or struggle, lower classes resort to crime to make money. the hit on them will cause an increase in crime. but its ok folks, FG are the party of law and order. they’ll know what to do. fupps. its mad to think back to the damage FF did to ireland, and to see another party come in and actually not improve on a ground zero situation in 8 years. theyve actually made it worse. unreal. they arent just useless, theyre dangerous.

  8. SB

    Judging from the photo, plenty of room in those gardens for a cycle lane without the traffic “flying past the windows”

  9. White Dove

    Great post. The property collapse in many ways provided us with a way to restructure our country, sadly the response has been to keep the same structure by passing the pain onto the next generation.

    Millenials need to come out and fight for the basic human right to reasonably priced and comfortable housing in the city they were born in.

  10. Kim Cardassian

    Would have thought London and New York are more expensive than Dublin. Seems more of a lateral move than a downgrade which is what the RBs was putting the feelers out for

    1. some old queen

      It comes down to disposable income- what you have left in the pocket when the basics are paid- rent/mortgage, utilities, food etc. People are now saying that you have more in London although the rent prices are eye watering there too.

      UK as a whole and NI in particular has a very high percentage of social housing which takes the pressure off the private rental sector. Depends on your profession and how experienced you are but I do know that Belfast does not have the same opportunities in the tech sector as Dublin- and, the wages are quite a bit lower too.

      1. shayna

        I work a couple, or three times a month, it’s in London, live in Belfast, it’s cheaper for me to commute than live there. Also, squatting isn’t what it used to be back in the 80s.

  11. diddy

    londonification is underway. a city for the rich and the underclass who serve them. the middle class living in satellite towns. thanks FG

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