A Public House Divided Against Itself


Grogan’s, South William Street, Dublin 2

This morning

The Government is ‘aiming’ to have legislation which will stop unvaccinated people from eating and drinking inside bars and restaurants ‘passed by the Dáil and Seanad before the end of the week’.

Via RTÉ:

After the bill, which amends the 1947 Public Health Act, passes in the Seanad, most likely on Friday night, it will go the President to be signed.

Once the bill is signed by President Michael D Higgins, the new system will come into operation.

It is expected the President could sign the legislation sometime during the week beginning Monday, 19 July and before Friday, 23 July.

However, the President can consult with the Council of State and ultimately refer a bill to the Supreme Court if he feels it conflicts with the Constitution.

Cabinet to sign off on plans for reopening indoor hospitality (RTÉ)








34 thoughts on “A Public House Divided Against Itself

    1. MR.T

      No – it is as it has always been: the young exist solely to serve the elder class.
      You can work in a bar with no vaccine, but once you finish your shift you have to stand outside.

      1. Micko

        It is starting to look that way isn’t it.

        As I saw Mr Beckham and Mr Cruise enjoying themselves mask free at Wembley last night, it struck me that the people that are made continue to mask up are mostly low paid workers.

        Workers in shops, waiting staff, garage employees, security men and similar.
        Oh and teenage students and teachers of course.

        Most office workers don’t have to, or only have to when they leave their desk.


  1. GiggidyGoo

    “The Government is aiming to have legislation, which will stop vaccinated people from eating and drinking inside bars and restaurants passed by the Dáil and Seanad before the end of the week.”
    Surely not?

    1. Hybridchild

      From RTE

      “The Government is aiming to have to legislation, which will allow vaccinated people eat and drink inside bars and restaurants, passed by the Dáil and Seanad before the end of the week.”

      Pro-Tip when you copy and paste something but change it slightly to try make it look like original work, make sure you don’t completely change the meaning

      1. Nilbert

        i.e. When you copy and paste something, and amend it to look more menacing than it actually is, try not to Bodge it entirely.

  2. E'Mattysame

    The system will be introduced and then widely abused as people share screenshots of one another’s vaccine certs and QR codes. This, along with the HSE “cyber attack” and mysterious PPS Vishing scam the whole country has received, will then be used to claim our current PPS system is deficient and we really should move to a biometric digital ID system, for public safety of course. This entire pandemic has played out exactly as the conspiraloons have said it would so far. This is a roadmap being followed that has been set out clearly for anyone who takes the time to look it up for themselves. The herd are waiting for the Irish Times and RTE to tell them about it. It only becomes real for them once published by such stellar and authoritative media sources. Just watch, the next 12 months will see new Digital IDs move centre stage.

    1. Ronan

      There’s be plenty of businesses who will just say: “I’m not enforcing this. If we’re open, we’re open”.

      What are they gonna do, spot checks and fines? Common sense policing will apply here. And there’s towns up and down the country that never see a Garda after 5pm unless there’s an out and out riot.

      When I were a lad, everyone knew where the underage pubs were – parents, Gardaí and more importantly the youngsters with 10 punts 70 to their name – that was enough for a bus to town, 5 Murphys, and a walk home. Did they do spot checks? Only if the absolute urine was being taken or if there was an incident.

      1. Zaccone

        The whole thing is a complete waste of everyone’s time and money. The idea that an (unvaccinated) 18 year old barman is going to somehow verify someone’s vaccination status, when they can present a paper document from any European country, the UK, or the US, or a screenshot of same is complete nonsense. Its just not going to happen, as anyone with a tiny bit of common sense will tell you.

        As usual with this government it’s because they’re afraid to stand up to tabloid opinion. They should have just opened indoor dining last week, instead of going through this pantomime that will make no real world difference.

        1. E'Matty

          Their unworkability and vulnerability to abuse through fraud are deliberately built in at this stage. Problem, reaction, solution. Create a problem, the only solution for which is the very thing you wanted to progress but knew public opposition would prevent.

          It’s how you move the herd along to where you want to take them against their will. Make them believe it was their decision to go that way.

        2. Cian

          The whole thing is a complete waste of everyone’s time and money. The idea that an (underage) 17 year old barman is going to somehow verify someone’s age, when they can present a paper document from any European country, the UK, or the US, or a screenshot of same is complete nonsense. Its just not going to happen, as anyone with a tiny bit of common sense will tell you.

          Imaging trying to come up with a way of proving your age. Madness! utter madness

          1. Zaccone

            Thats a pretty hilarious argument. Irish bouncers generally only accept passports from foreign countries as acceptable proof of age for young people for that exact reason – because its impossible for them to know what a real California drivers license looks like vs a fake one. So as far as age restrictions go the system already works under the premise that its impossible to verify foreign documents.

            That and its also a terrible argument because Irish pubs/nightclubs are riddled with underage drinkers. Pretty much everyone goes drinking with a fake ID as a teenager. Which also suggests any system based on checking of even easier faked documents will be porous to the level of pointlessness.

      1. E'Matty

        Hilarious Mick. Why exactly do you think this is uniquely Irish? It’s actually a global agenda. CEPI announced the launching of a global vaccine at the Davos World Economic Forum. At the same time another agenda was launched. It’s called the ID2020 Agenda, which constitutes an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity.

        Here’s the ID2020 promo website. https://id2020.org/alliance

        “The program harnesses existing birth registration and vaccination operations to provide newborns with a portable and persistent biometrically-linked digital identity”. (Peter Koenig, March 2020)

        The Founding Partners of ID2020 are Microsoft, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) among others.

        It is worth noting the timeline: The ID2020 Alliance held their Summit in New York, entitled “Rising to the Good ID Challenge”, on September 19, 2019, exactly one month prior to the nCov-2019 simulation exercise entitled Event 201 at John Hopkins in Baltimore. Event 201 was hosted by The John Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

        Here’s arch globalist servant Tony Blair selling the idea “Tony Blair: It is common sense to move toward digital IDs”

        IBM is now working with New York state to expand the state’s Excelsior Pass to include not just vaccine status, but also age, driver’s licenses and other personal records, according to a government contract first reported by The New York Times. IBM isn’t alone. Clear, the maker behind Health Pass, was launched as a biometric identification system to get through airport security more quickly. Apple, which does not have a health pass, also recently introduced technology that will allow users to upload and present digital driver’s licenses in some states and to the Transportation Security Administration

        In case you hadn’t noticed, the pandemic response has sued very neatly into the global agendas being promoted but for coincidence theorists such as yourself, well, it’s all just pure coincidence.

      2. E'Matty

        They’ve been testing this out already on the poor Africans again. The same names just keep popping up time and again. Purely coincidence of course.

        Africa to Become Testing Ground for “Trust Stamp” Vaccine Record and Biometric Digital Payment System

        By Raul Diego, July 19, 2020

        The program, which was first launched in late 2018, will see Trust Stamp’s digital identity platform integrated into the GAVI-Mastercard “Wellness Pass,” a digital vaccination record and identity system that is also linked to Mastercard’s click-to-play system that powered by its AI and machine learning technology called NuData. Mastercard, in addition to professing its commitment to promoting “centralized record keeping of childhood immunization” also describes itself as a leader toward a “World Beyond Cash,” and its partnership with GAVI marks a novel approach towards linking a biometric digital identity system, vaccination records, and a payment system into a single cohesive platform. The effort, since its launch nearly two years ago, has been funded via $3.8 million in GAVI donor funds in addition to a matched donation of the same amount by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    1. Nigel

      Your first mistake would be to beleve anything said by anyone who tells you CNN is left wing.

      Also, a better term than ‘fascist’ would surely be ‘dystopian.’ Any party representing any political ideology that took the pandemic seriously faced with the kind of opposition to vaccination currently present in the US might consider such an extreme proposal.

      1. Micko

        Are CNN not the anti republican side and FOX the pro republican?

        Don’t watch either except for occasional clips.

        1. Nigel

          Me neither, but if the clips are anything to go by, a straight up equivalence is misleading; while the Republicans are becoming increasingly the party that relies heavily on lies and misinformation and Fox News seems all set to cater to that, CNN is just normally awful corporate news media, but tries to cater to everyone who isn’t Republican and places some value on truth and accuracy (with variable success.)

          1. Johnny

            the fox junkies are white trash in their 60’s ”living’ the dying american dream,no idea if anyone watches CNN.
            320 million in states -BIG fox ratings are 2 million for trust fund white boy Tucker.

          2. Nigel

            I’d doubt the people watching Fox News are all ‘white trash’ unless that ugly little term has expanded to include the middle and upper-middle class.

          3. Johnny

            there are no white middle class left in Amercia,thats one the fox viewers problems,they went on unemployment during COVID and the immigrants,this time Mexicans,years ago it was the Irish moved up..
            hardly anyone watches TV or cable in Amercia,its dead.

          4. Ronan

            I lived in the US back in odd 2 and odd 3, and watched a lot of CNN. Back then it was relatively normal news.

            On a recent visit in 2018, I watched a bit of CNN and it seemed have converted to incredibly short segment news commentary, plus long close-up anti-Trump monologues.

            Now I agree with everything that they said about Trump and Republicans, but the issue I have with this kind of ‘news’ is that it’s not universally applied – they will never tackle a Democrat in the same way, and I happen to think Democrats are just slightly less bad than Republicans.

            Either way, CNN has long deviated from being a news station and is now part of the news entertainment complex.

            I have yet to see the new British Fox news, must look for some clips.

          5. Johnny

            -for most part its just a revolving or revolting circle of talking heads shouting at each other,i’m more a NPR in mornings type,this was great,i as they say cut the cord ages ago.

            -this is just so well done,working class Protestants waiving the Israeli flag,like could they not find a old South African one,but this tribal imagery resonates in states.

            It’s Marching Season In Northern Ireland. Protestants Proclaim Allegiance To U.K


          6. K. Cavan

            ”So, we have to stop demonizing people and realise that the biggest terror threat in this country is white men…” :Don Lemon, CNN Anchor, in a news segment hilariously labelled ”Facts First”.
            They are Woke beyond the reach of parody.
            They also famously had a guy reporting ”fiery but mostly peaceful’ protests”, while, in the background building blazed & violent BLM thugs rioted, looted & assaulted people.
            Doesn’t seem like ”normally awful corporate news media” to me, Nigel but it is entirely typical of CNN.
            As you are well aware, of course.

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