Yesterday.
Seanad Eireann.
Independent Senator Sharon Keogan called for the immediate unmasking of schoolchildren
She told the chamber:
“I want to raise the issue of unmasking schoolchildren. When the National Public Health Emergency Team, NPHET, decided that primary school children should be masked back at the start of December, the National Parents Council was flooded with calls from concerned parents.
“They did not feel that they had been given enough information to understand why their children now needed to wear masks when all through the pandemic mask wearing had not been required. Perhaps since then that information has been given but certainly since then that information has changed.
“It has been over a week since restrictions have been lifted and it has been so good to see so many people around the country. However, children as young as eight years are being told to keep their masks on for hours on end during the school day even as us adults are out enjoying meals and spending time in pubs. I think that it is wrong.
“When the whole population was unvaccinated and hospitals were bursting at the seams, parents were told that it was inappropriate for under-13-year-olds to wear face masks. Now that is where we are but out of it, we still subject children to stricter restrictions than adults.
“Dr. Jeanne Noble directs the Covid response for the University of California, San Francisco emergency department. She is part of a group of physicians and scientists who have announced a national campaign in the US to restore normalcy to children’s lives by putting them first in line for the lifting of mask wearing mandates and other restrictions once the Omicron surge passes.
“I know that the mask mandate is due to be reviewed at the end of February but I strongly believe that we should do this before that date. We can bring a smile back to our children’s faces. They also need a plan for exiting the pandemic and we should allow them to get back to normal life.”
Previously: “I Have Never Seen Such Anger In Mothers”
Meanwhile…
This is audio from the Assistant Principal of a Loudoun County elementary school informing parents that children who come back to school maskless will be charged with “trespassing”
In Virginia, trespassing is a Class I felony that holds a 12-month jail sentence or $2,500 fine pic.twitter.com/lawXgLIfI5
— Chrissy Clark (@chrissyclark_) February 2, 2022
Um.
Adults can drunkenly slobber all over each other in pubs and clubs but kids in school and shoppers in supermarkets must still be masked.
Nice to see their guidelines are making as much logical sense as ever..
this
although the ladies in Tesco seem to think they will be mask free by end of month and have moved to visors this month.
What is the reasoning behind it – that kids aren’t vaccinated to the extent of adults?
A big part of the eventual review of the pandemic should be the lack of joined up thinking and the apparent absence of logic across the restrictions and measures, it undermines the overall effort – ”this doesn’t make sense so why should I do that other thing”, type stuff.
No there is a definite logic to it, the same as adults- its called coercion. These power hungry mongrels don’t have the honesty or common decency to come out and say it, but they are quite happy to muzzle children until they get as many jabbed as possible.
Forcing children to wear these rags is a gateway to providing the dodgy vaccine.
Any parent who allows their children to attend school muzzled up is engaging in a form of child abuse.
Did she? Link would be useful
Ah there’s Sharon. She hates masks but suggests it’s ok to microchip kids with special needs.
That technology doesn’t exist J9. She used the wrong wording. She clearly doesn’t understand the tech. No such implantable “microchip” exists.
The ability to track children via wristband with special needs has been in use for years though. So let’s give her the benefit of the doubt.
She just said the wrong word.
https://www.halosecurity.ie/care-for-special-needs-kids
Anyway, dealing with the issue at hand.
Masks on primary school kids for 6 hours a day.
Good or bad in your opinion?
Yeah suuure she just used the wrong word …
You’re very forgiving all of a sudden LOL.
The technology may not exist but funnily enough there’s some on here who think it does and is being injected into us via vaccines.
I have to laugh at you lot – once somebody is confirming your bias it doesn’t matter wtf else they say …
At this stage I think the masks in schools thing is pretty pointless.
It’s not child abuse though.
“once somebody is confirming your bias it doesn’t matter wtf else they say ”
No, I’m sure there’s lots I’d disagree with this lady on.
This is just one issue that I agree with her and it’s what the post is about and it’s what we’re discussing. On topic etc
It’s YOU who’s bringing up something she said in the past to discredit what she’s saying now.
Anyway…
Are masks child abuse? – it’s debatable. Does it interfere with their learning and ability to recognise questions from peers and teacher. Who knows?
I don’t think that research has been done over any extended period of time.
There is an tremendous amount of brainpower that devoted to recognising faces in humans though and I suppose you could argue that anything that interferes with the development of that process in young children could be termed child abuse.
But of course the long term data isn’t there so at best we’re probably experimenting with young kids at the moment to see what the possible outcome of this will be in a few years time.
So, is “experimenting” on kids Child abuse especially as you say when it’s redundant? – I’d say yes, Pavlov. would probably say no ;)
I don’t agree that putting masks on kids is “experimenting” on them. The histrionic language from the anti-mask and ant-vaccine cohort tries my patience daily. You and I, Micko – we will never agree on these points. I wish you all the best.
That’s grand. At least we’re dealing with the issue at hand.
But if it did turn out to effect their cognitive development – would you agree that is a bad thing and change your opinion accordingly?
I don’t think I’m being personally being histrionic,
I’m just highlighting a possible future issue with masks on kids and the hypocrisy of making children wear masks for 6 hours a day and allowing adults the freedom not to.
Nor am I anti-vaccine. I’ll probably get one of the newer jabs at some point. I just didn’t want an emergency use medicine – especially since I’ve beaten the covids twice now. Once before the vax was introduced – hence my reluctance.
And yep – all the best chief. All good ;)
@ Micko
With respect, even by your own standards, that is a remarkably disingenuous comment. Around half of your expressed views on this issue utterly lack integrity and honesty. The other half, well!
As is your right to think so Andrew
I believe the opposite of me and the same of you.
“With respect,” pffft…
“With respect, even by your own standards, that is a remarkably disingenuous comment. Around half of your expressed views on this issue utterly lack integrity and honesty. The other half, well!”
disingenuous, lack of integrity..
lolololololols
This from the plagiarising lazy commenter, too up his own swiss to not copy and paste or independently source..
GTFOH
Seeing as you’ve appointed yourself her water carrier, what’s your opinion on internment?
Good or bad?
As above – quoting myself now ;-)
“No, I’m sure there’s lots I’d disagree with this lady on.”
And that is one of them. Internment bad – yes. Cool?
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We need to debate the point at hand and not defer to previous statements someone has made in an attempt to discredit what they are saying now.
Otherwise we’ll get nowhere and every single mistake or misguided opinion we ever had will taint us all forever.
We have to stop doing that – it helps no one.
You see it here on Broadsheet all the time – “you said this” or “said you did that” – bloody months ago!
Schoolyard stuff.
You want to be taken seriously? Stop quoting bona fida loons like her. You even went so far as to defend her, so no point in telling us about how much you disagree now, the sneaking regard is writ large at this stage.
” Stop quoting bona fida loons like her. ”
Ehhh?
When did I quote her? Anyway…
I’d defend anyone for something flippant they said in the past, especially if they are NOT familiar in that field are are floating ideas. I can discern the nuance in a persons ability.
In the same way, I also don’t get annoyed at my Father in Law’s lack of technological understanding, coz he doesn’t know the difference between a bleedin iOS and an android device.
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“so no point in telling us about how much you disagree now”
I’m a grown up Ian. I can look at someone’s points and agree with some things they say and disagree with other things.
@ ian – oG
I’m absolutely with Micko on this. If the person is saying something you agree with, then it is relevant to quote it, even if you don’t agree with them on other issues.
I might even quote you, if you said something I agreed with – though I have to admit that I’m not holding my breath on that one.
My bad Micko, meant to say explaining not quoting. However, this is not some flippant comment she made, its part of a pattern of comments she has made which shows the sort of person she is. An ex FFer for a start. I disagree with masks for kids but want nothing to do with this piece of work.
No worries.
Honestly Ian, she seems like a bit of a gobdaw and is probably using this as a political point scoring exercise – maybe not, who knows. I don’t particularly like her either.
But we both agree with her on this one point in reference to masks on kids.
And if she is the only one standing up and saying it, then regardless of her past transgressions or her political motivations – I have to support her taking that stand.
@ ian – oG
‘I disagree with masks for kids ‘
Thank you for proving my point. You’ve said something I agree with and I am quoting you, even though I disagree with you on most of what you say on Broadsheet..
And I am not appointing myself your water carrier by giving my support to that one statement of yours, any more than Micko is doing that for Sharon Keogan by backing her comments regarding masks for children or even by giving what he considers she meant by another comment. As Micko says, he is a grown-up and can agree with some statements and disagree with others made by the same person. Any reasoning person can do the same.
Weak man, weak..
Can’t understand why they haven’t rowed back on this yet.
Makes absolutely zero sense.
this. and the windows open so the class is baltic but the kids not allowed to move around to keep warm. awful bang of guantanamo the way the kids are treated.
Guantanamo – are you joking?? Guantanamo is an internment camp where detainees have been tortured and sexually abused, and where people have died in custody. Would you ever get a grip. Making these stupid, flippant comparisons is an insult to those who have suffered these injustices.
j9 the white knight
I’m a white knight for pointing out a fact? …LOL … OK then …
I heard they chain the kids to their desks and play ‘The Wiggles’ non stop for 6 hours a day…
Now THAT’s elfin torture! Non stop “Fruit fecking Salad”
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Now, let’s all enjoy the comparison to The Wiggles and old metal. ;p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSKN2tdUZi4
Making that comparison is no insult to anyone, j9, that’s just hyperbole. Yourself & Ian-oG seem intent on causing a row about nothing much, while steering the conversation away from the subject in question & therefore, relevancy.
Perhaps that’s your purpose here?
I’m sure if I trawled through the epic poem of your commentary, I wouldn’t find any hyperbolic, overblown statements or handwringing at all.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKULRGQWYAQyp-v.jpg
The meaningless utterances of a radicalised mandate loving loonie
The flying monkey has been released for the day.
It didn’t take much to eviscerate you on Monday, today shall be no different.
Sharon Keogan best enjoy her time in the Seanad, she won’t be back.
I’m not a fan of masking kids in school but this headcase wants to microchip kids AND I just found out wants to bring in internment for “drug criminals”. So what, lock up kids for having a spliff?
https://www.thejournal.ie/election-2020/candidate/929/sharon-keogan/
Let us also not forget her “gay takeover” conspiracy theories either.
So pretty much on point for Broadfront/Stormsheet these days.
Stormsheet – Class!
Her opinions on other things aren’t really relevant to this, Ian, especially since they seem to lean in the opposite direction to the one she’s taking here. What’s your point? Apart from muddying the waters?
She NEVER suggested microchipping kids but yeah- carry on slurring.
Be god it’s Sharon – She’s a freedoms campaigner but she wants CCTV everywhere in urban areas to keep everyone “safe”
If you think this is crazy you want to see what the SNP loons are spending 300 grand on in Scottish schools.
Jimmie Crankie has finally jumped the deep-fried shark.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-governments-300-000-bill-to-trim-2-000-classroom-doors-because-of-covid/
It’s to pressurise parents and try to manufacture a case for the mass injection of healthy kids (where none exists).
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-will-continue-to-see-high-level-of-infection-health-officials-say-1252516.html
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“(Ronan Glynn) said a key part of the “rationale” (for keeping the mandate in place) was to give children an opportunity to get vaccinated.”
You can get some mild-mannered fellow to communicate the message and couch it in soft language but what’s happening is very disturbing when looked at objectively. My explanation would be that a kind of systemic psychopathy is in effect. The people at the top of the hierarchy are corporate psychopaths. The Irish state is particularly notorious in its deference to corporate power.
+1 f_lawless
‘was to give children an opportunity to get vaccinated’
In other words, if you don’t want them to wear masks/face-coverings, get them vaccinated – but neither would stop the spread of the virus and both are immoral impositions on children, as the long-term effects of both are yet to be determined and the short-term effects are worrying, to say the least.
Children’s Adaptive Immune response is extremely weak, because that part of their immune system simply hasn’t encountered enough pathogens, so they are reliant on their Innate Response, which clusters around body orifices, thus the clichéd snotty nose.
Gene Therapy injections completely rely on producing antibodies, the very last line of the Adaptive Response & are entirely unsuited for use in children, they will not produce useful amounts of antibody & with intramuscular injection, their Innate Response, which is most of their protection, is bypassed, making these injections far more dangerous to them than to adults. Normal inoculation produces responses from both parts of the immune system & this combined response has utility, an antibody response provides them with very little protection. It’s the wrong tool for the job being used on the wrong job.
There’s no doubt that keeping them in masks, which will weaken their developing Adaptive Responses, is simply a coercive measure to encourage injecting them, which is so medically dangerous & unnecessary as to be nothing short of criminal.
It’s extraordinary how often teachers’ opinions have wormed their way into discussion of masking kids. Teachers are not scientists, their opinion is irrelevant, their knowledge on the subject non-existant but their political leanings are overt & clearly influence their position more than concern for children’s health.
The statistics are clear & undeniable, Covid is not a danger to children but recklessly injecting them with experimental drugs is. If our children are injected with these substances, some will die & many will be injured, severly damaging the quality of their lives, at a tender age. We are supposed to protect our children, not expose them to danger to ostensibly fight a disease of the elderly.
It’s literally insane.
The lawyers must be rubbing their hands in glee- the amount of court cases that are going to come out of this whole thing will be crazy.