Last night.

A Pfizer covid vaccine data dump released by court order apparently showed no proper trials were conducted in pregnant women and that the drug giant did not recommend their vaccine for pregnant/potential pregnancies.

Anyone?

Previously: May Include Dizziness

Meanwhile…

Um

COVID-19 and pregnancy (HSE)

Meanwhile…

Ah now.

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  1. Kin

    Maybe the government needs to comment if this is true or if this is fake news
    If so in the coming years they pretty much need lots of money to cover all the payments for people suffering
    If Pfizer is guilty then of course they cannot be allowed to walk regarding immunity from being sued
    Honestly I gave up trusting media a year ago

    1. SOQ

      The statistics on first trimester miscarriages are already indicating serious issues- and that is not even considering the potential of a thalidomide type scenario going forward.

      Pfizer has a track record in criminality with the largest fines ever handed down, so I don’t know why people are surprised by all of this. The real question is why governments and health officials went to such lengths to force people to take it.

      1. Kim Cardassian

        Share the statistics on the first trimester of miscarriages and the links to the vaccines so

        1. Ronan

          Somebody is ASKING to be told to do their own research.

          Though you might get a YouTube link if you play nice.

        2. SOQ

          https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=VMAN&TSORT=down&EVENTS=ON&PERPAGE=100&ESORT=STATE&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Aborted_pregnancy_%2810000209%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_%2810000210%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_complete_%2810061614%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_complicated_%2810061615%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_early_%2810052846%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_incomplete_%2810000217%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_induced_%2810000220%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_induced_complete_%2810060928%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_induced_incomplete_%2810053984%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_late_%2810052847%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_missed_%2810000230%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_of_ectopic_pregnancy_%2810066266%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_spontaneous_%2810000234%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_spontaneous_complete_%2810061616%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_spontaneous_complicated_%2810000238%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Abortion_spontaneous_incomplete_%2810061617%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Ectopic_pregnancy_%2810014166%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Ectopic_pregnancy_termination_%2810014168%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Ectopic_pregnancy_with_contraceptive_device_%2810074497%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Foetal_cardiac_arrest_%2810084280%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Foetal_death_%2810055690%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Premature_baby_death_%2810076700%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Premature_delivery_%2810036595%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Ruptured_ectopic_pregnancy_%2810048407%29&SYMPTOMS%5B%5D=Stillbirth_%2810042062%29&VAX=COVID19

          And that is only VAERS. You can look at the UK Yellow Card and the EU systems yourself.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            VAERS with the warewolf side effect?

            https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
            VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

          2. SOQ

            The usual old tripe from Dolly.

            The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System is jointly owned and ran by the CDC and the FDA as a way for people to report post-vaccination health issues.

            In the case of a post vaccination abortion or miscarriage, it is highly likely that such entries were and are made by a medical professional.

            In short is an early warning system with state limitations BUT- in this current round, it was the first to highlight myocarditis injuries and deaths. That such was subsequently ignored, will be a matter for the courts no doubt.

          3. Daisy Chainsaw

            What part of “The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.” do you not understand?

          4. SOQ

            What part of “early warning system” do you not understand? By its very nature it cannot prove that a vaccine caused an event.

            It can however flag increases in things like post vaccine heart attacks which require urgent if not immediate investigation. That is why the CDC and the FDA set it up?

          5. Daisy Chainsaw

            VAERS has been in existence for over 30 years, it’s only a go-to source for antivaxx cranks and conspiraloons.

            https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/vaers-and-vaccine-safety#091e9c5e82246c88-1-3
            In general, VAERS can’t tell us whether a vaccine caused a particular problem.
            People file reports to VAERS that are often short on details and sometimes have mistakes.
            People are more likely to report serious possible side effects than minor ones.
            Reports on certain adverse events may rise due to media coverage.
            VAERS data can’t be used to figure out rates of side effects.

            VAERS reports alone don’t determine whether vaccines cause or play a role in health problems or deaths.

          6. Mistake Not...

            I had adVAERS effects from the jab, turned me into a newt!

            I got better though, using two ripe bananas and the bladder of a sheep

            Or was that an earthquake

          7. SOQ

            So why do why the CDC and the FDA continue to fund and run it then?

            And, more to the point, why is it’s current findings the same or similar to the UK’s Yellow Card and EU?

            You are talking out of your backside.

          8. Nigel

            Because once the data it provides has been verified, it’s actually useful. Until then, it’s ammo for conspiracy theorists.

          9. SOQ

            It is verified- it is a state owner and ran site so all sources are authenticated before being published. It is as it says on the tin- an early warning system- and so far it has been very effective. I was going to say accurate but like the others, injuries are renown for being under reported.

            The reason why you crowd are rehashing this nonsense instead of focusing on the topic in hand- that of current Big Pharma criminality- should be pretty obvious.

          10. GiggidyGoo

            @Nigel. The conspiracy theory here is that people who were pointing out all of the warning signs about the record of Pfizer, the attempts to bury their findings for almost a century, the side effects, and refusing to take the vaccines were doing so solely out of self interest.

            It’s a good kick in the hole for the cheerleaders for the Pfizer vaccines, the WHO, the lying HSE etc. to be shown that they are the rats that follow the Pfizer Pied Piper without question. What’s that you were saying about verified data?

          11. anti bot

            Hang on, were you idiots not on here claiming that it wasn’t a real disease. Were you not that same idiots complaining about the deaths in old peoples homes. were you not the idiots claiming that an invasion and murder of innocent people in Urkanine was OK. Were you the same idiots who run away when challenged. Ah go on answer no. 43

          12. Nigel

            ‘all sources are authenticated before being published’

            Not the same thing as the reports themselves being validated.

            Giggidy, the conspiracy theory has been that the pandemic was faked up so as to dose everyone with a vaccine that would kill some portion of the human population, and variations thereof. Bodger called it the worst crime in all of history.

            You have this aching need to kick people in the hole, and you end up claiiming to have done it way more than you ever actually do it.

            Verified data is good. I’ve been told that the vaccine has killed thousands at several points since the rollout. I think maybe one was verified?

          13. GiggidyGoo

            ‘…the conspiracy theory has been that the pandemic was faked up so as to dose everyone with a vaccine that would kill some portion of the human population, and variations thereof’

            Lame Nigel. Do you not feel embarrassed writing such a line? Or do you actually believe that?

            As for hole-kicking. You get it day-in/day-out here yet you come out again and again with drivel (sample above) that lines you up for another kicking. Ever heard of ‘cutting your losses’ and not trying to argue with a statement you know to be untrue?

          14. Nigel

            Are you hard of reading? Of course I don’t believe it, several commenters here believe it, as does Bodger.

            Giggidy, your claims about hole-kicking are actually slightly less credible than that conspiracy theory.

          15. GiggidyGoo

            Do you think that was the conspiracy theory? One theory? No theories about money? No theories about the development of a deadly virus in Wuhan, and the quick production of a ‘vaccine’. No theories about the massive profits? No theories about the involvement of Gates etc.?

            As I said – Lame. You obviously are vaccinated against embarrassment. You deserve all the hole-kicking you get.

          16. Nigel

            ‘Aha! but there was MORE than one conspiracy theory! Checkmate!’

            You funny.

          17. GiggidyGoo

            Well it looks like checkmate then, if you write a post like you did, and try make out there was one (in your mind) conspiracy theory, which isn’t true. Typical Nigel.
            You’re some yoke alright.
            That’s some embarrassment vaccine you’ve had.

          18. GiggidyGoo

            Of course it was. You failed.

            But – something, something, something something. (etc.)

          19. GiggidyGoo

            Nigel: ‘Not what I was trying to do’ + Me: ‘Of Course it was’ Sounds like a disagreement to me.

          20. Nigel

            That’s just your gag reflex, you can’t help it, you have to disagree even when there’s nothing to disagree about.

        3. tom2

          “statistics on first trimester miscarriages are already indicating serious issues”

          Nice use of the passive voice. Statistics do not indicate anything.

      2. Kin

        Seems to me someone could have been falsifying the data that was fed to us and if so government duped the general public
        And that is a criminal issue
        I would love to know if Pfizer can avail of protection if sued if the true data was not revealed and as a result people were misled into taking a very harmful vaccine if indeed this is true
        I doubt after this anyone will ever trust any government

  2. tom2

    You need to be a pharma professional working in that specific field to even begin to understand these documents.

    1. Kin

      But government can
      So that makes government complicit in the matter
      This might if true make the cervical smear test seem like a life saving act

  3. Ten Pin's Fictitious Mrs.

    SOQ has been up all night dissecting the 80,000 pages. He should be along soon to produce all the criminality contained in the report.

      1. Rob_G

        Right – sniggering and sneering is only appropriate for posts about a sovereign state being invaded by its war-mongering neighbour.

      2. Ten Pin's Fictitious Mrs.

        Less of your outrage and hypocrisy. As has been pointed out to you over and over and over and over and over, almost every single link you have posted here since you decided on this swaying vaccine opinion of yours has been rubbish and from sites so ridiculous you should be embarrassed to be on them.
        Bodger and Nick the same, as is always the case, take 1min to scroll through the twitter accounts above and it should be easy to anyone with any grasp of basic internet environments , that these people are chancers and charlatans.
        If this vaccine business does turn out to be the biggest con job of our time, dont worry we will find out about it but it will actually be through professional journalism and medical analysis, not internet cranks.
        And then you can have your day on here but your vindication will be false the same as the links you post.
        Ps Mccullogh is a shill, praying on the gullibility, fear and ego of people like yourself.

        1. SOQ

          Ok so if you think McCullough is a shill and you have such strong views on the subject- whom are you so certain to be legitimate then?

          Feel free to list your sources.

          1. Ten Pin's Fictitious Mrs.

            Ah look, I am the bigger fool here at this point to be conversing with you.
            Do your thing Kid.

  4. Maura

    I never went down the rabbit hole on this but I made what I believed, and still believe, was a common-sense decision to ‘respectfully decline’ the vaccine when contacted by my doctor at the time I was deemed ‘age appropriate’ to be vaccinated.
    I said I would prefer to wait until such time as there was more research information available.
    Tin foil hat stuff NOT.

    1. anti bot

      Are you soq in disguise? Have you switched gender to pretend you’re not the same liar on here 24/7? Amazed you picked a female name. Now you have to attack your self

    2. Janet, dreams of an alternate universe

      I was pregnant and then breastfeeding at the time and did not want my baby to have any as yet unknown side effects. I declined primarily for that reason, there is no long term data.
      I’m very happy with that decision.

      1. Ronan

        Pretty much this. My wife was pregnant during Covid and though this came to a happy conclusion prior to vaccines becoming available, we did discuss it and conclude that unknown risks during pregnancies would have likely meant we waited.

        Lest we forget, there was an uptick in preganant loss correlated* with Covid-related placental inflammation.

        Tough call to make with so little time in the data. We were happy to take a vaccine due to benefit for older relatives etc and a sense of collective responsibility, but I don’t think my wife would have gone for it while pregnant, and I wouldn’t have been an advocate for it overall. We reckoned we’d have just shielded as we did during that time.

        * https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-found-link-between-covid-19-and-stillbirth-confirmed-by-major-study-1.4802282

      2. freewheeling

        You were wise. You may have saved your baby from getting hepatitis and liver damage (at least).

          1. GiggidyGoo

            Ah, the swiveleyed conspiraloon ratlicker Daisy makes her appearance with the usual silly post. VaCcINes arE gReaT fOr aLl mantra notably missing.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            Ah Gaslighty! Were you waiting, all those days I was off, with baited breath for me to post so you could respond straight away? How desperately sad, but entirely unpredictable of you.

          3. GiggidyGoo

            Nope, I’ve been here – just because you got a reply you think people wait for you to post something? What a sad, sad existence.. Good to see you’re allowed some days off from here though. What a sad, sad life you have though, conspiralooning, and swivelling your eyes 24/7. ReAdThePfIZeRreLeAse. Then hash tag it on your Scutter account.

          4. GiggidyGoo

            It’s your sad, sad life – deal with it. Vax cOnSpIRaLoOn! You’re very subdued today. Did Pfizer burst your bubble? What a shame. All of those nasty posts wasted eh?
            He’ll hath no fury than a shortbottom hon being shown up.

          5. Daisy Chainsaw

            Poor Gaslighty. Am I not giving you the requisite amount of attention?

            I suppose anyone not hopping around like an obsessed, angry baboon like you would seem subdued.

          6. GiggidyGoo

            Ha haaaaa. Daisy has her Vax posts catching up with her. Very very subdued now. Sad sad existence daisy has though and now with the added label as a conspiraloon. And how many hundred of pages of Pfizer to go?
            Toddle along now. Off to your scutter account, and your politics.ie account to complain about Broadsheet. Tsk tsk tsk.

          7. Daisy Chainsaw

            Poor Gaslighty. I went away on you for a few days and didn’t leave enough water out. You’re angry and upset and desperately need my attention.

          8. GiggidyGoo

            Not much left in your little notebook of phrases then? My, how the ‘great’ have fallen. tsk tsk.
            At least you have some suggested reading now. Enjoy the 350,000 pages or so.
            I’m sure you’ll be back to apologise for all of the insults you dished out here on the subject.

          9. Daisy Chainsaw

            Poor Gaslighty. You should have enough time on your hands to read it for the both of us. I have no interest in going anywhere near the conspiracy septic tank where you reside.

          10. Daisy Chainsaw

            Poor Gaslighty. I’m not leaving, I’m just not indulging your tantrums.

  5. ken m

    it is illegal and unethical to trial against pregnant woman. However when a drug is on the market for several months, statistical analysis tells us that a significant number of pregnant women (who obviously didn’t know they were pregnant at the time) would have been administered the drug. This allows us to draw the conclusion if the drug is safe or not as an early term pregnancy is the most at risk of effect due to a drug. This is first year pharma class stuff – basic research journalists!

  6. f_lawless

    Regarding the 0.83% claim in the first tweet, this isn’t new information. Those paying close enough attention were already aware that several weeks after Pfizer’s press release claiming “95% effectiveness”, the trial results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine. It then became apparent that 95% was the “relative risk reduction” and the “absolute risk reduction” was a mere 0.84%/0.83%. The general public had been grossly misled by the media and the pharmaceutical corporations.

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/11/16/at-least-one-dose/#comment-2367598

    1. freewheeling

      This. The warnings were there for anyone who bothered to go looking for them.

      1. Kali

        But anyone who did go looking were lambasted for not ‘trusting de science’ by the simps in comment sections the world over. The honus should be on the government to ensure this extremely important data was highlighted instead of hidden. They were too busy coercing their citizens into taking the pointless vaccine I suppose

  7. eamonn

    Gosh, it just might transpire that some of the swiveleyed loon, ratlicking, tinfoil suited had some genuine concerns – who’d have seen that coming (without the aid of a swivel eye)

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Looks like the swiveleyed loon, ratlicking, tinfoil-suited were actually the supporters of the ‘vaccine’ all along.

    2. Nigel

      This is only about the five hundredth time this exact sentiment has been expressed since this pandemic began. I expect we’ll hear it five hundred times more as five hundred more smoing guns turn out to be vapesticks.

  8. Kim Cardassian

    Having uneducated arm chair experts read the data is like getting a Russian dictator to explain Ukrainian sovereignty.

    No vaccine is tested on pregnant women so early in trials. Duh. Same goes with children. The report equally doesn’t highlight any risks with giving the vaccine. This is hardly news.

    Also yer man’s claim about vaccines being 12% effective is testicles.

    1. Gavin

      “vaccines being 12% effective is boll0cks.” I refer you back to your original point…uneducated arm chair experts

    2. GiggidyGoo

      And, as mentioned in Pfizer’s gumph, they should not be given to pregnant women – however https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/people-at-higher-risk/covid19-and-pregnancy/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxOrbk9rF9wIVEO7tCh2C7AYzEAAYASAAEgLbs_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

      Quote from that page on the HSE website, by the HSE, ‘If you are planning to get pregnant or trying for a baby, we recommend you get a COVID-19 vaccine. This will not affect your fertility.’

      Oh ! And the HSE knew this – how? Not from Pfizer anyway by the looks of things. From the WHO?

  9. f_lawless

    No update to the HSE’s guidelines as yet.

    https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/get-the-vaccine/pregnancy/

    “It is safe to get your first round of COVID-19 vaccination and booster at any stage of your pregnancy.

    Doses during pregnancy

    It is safe to get your first round of COVID-19 vaccination and booster at any stage of your pregnancy.

    You can get your COVID-19 vaccine on the same day as any of the other vaccines you need during pregnancy, if you want.

    Which vaccine

    You will be offered either the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine or the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine. You will only be offered the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine if you are aged 30 or over.

    Maybe after some time has passed and the media has done their best to play down or ignore the revelations, the page will be quietly updated.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Not only that – the HSE recommended that pregnant women got the vaccine (see my post above)

    2. f_lawless

      Actually after reading a bit more and refreshing my memory, the story is a bit more nuanced. Pregnant women were not included in the clinical trials of 2020. Despite this, when the shots became available for women of child-bearing age in 2021, those in authority did not advise that pregnant women should refrain from taking them. The precautionary principle went out the window. Absence of evidence of the potential dangers was taken as evidence of absence.

      In June 2021 a US study entitled “Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons” was published in the NEJM. The stated conclusion was somewhat ambivalent:
      “Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary”

      But as experts such as Dr Peter MCCullough pointed out at the time, a sleight hand was used in how the authors of the study presented their data, and when scrutinised, the data actually showed the Covid shots had caused spontaneous abortions in 104 out of 127 pregnant women during the first trimester.

      https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/07/04/dr-peter-mccullough-reveals-the-covid-vaccines-are-directly-killing-babies-in-the-first-trimester-as-criminal-push-to-vaccinate-pregnant-women-continues/

      From what I understand, this NEJM study then became the basis for official bodies such as the CDC in the US to recommend that pregnant women get the shot. Then the authorities in places like the UK and Ireland based their own recommendations on what the US was doing rather than on robust scientific evidence.

        1. SOQ

          McCullough is a shill- have you not heard?

          According to the waster above anyways.

      1. Cian

        That 104 miscarriages was out of 3,958 pregnancies.

        Where did he get the 127? Fake News time. Well there were 827 “completed pregnancies” over the 10 weeks- the other 3,131 women were still pregnant at the end of the study. They excluded the 700 who got a 3rd term shot leaving a magic number of 127!! See what they did? they totally ignored the other 3,131 still-pregnant women.

        For 96 of those 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation. The other 8 were before 20 weeks. This number is not unusual, about 10-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage.

        https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

  10. Gringo

    They should have given it to the doctors here,they would have trialled it on some kids, in Tallagh or Finglas.

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