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  1. Broadbag

    Trump is vaccinated and took the booster, much to the chagrin of his supporters. Confusion reigns.

    Did this kid get vaccinated, or have Covid, or have a heart condition?

    1. SOQ

      And why wouldn’t Trump have it? He is in the high risk category after all.

      In all the people I have read and communicated with throughput this thing- I have yet to encounter an anti vaxxer- a real one I mean. The issues are vaccine passports and mandates- in other words, people’s right to choose.

      As for this story- the first question is why so many players getting ill. The spinners are claiming no extra but then again, it’s not that long ago they were claiming there was no issue with women’s menstrual cycles either.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        So many people are getting ill because there’s an illness running rampant. Not everything is a conspiracy.

          1. SOQ

            Some crank on YouTube being Dr Peter McCullough. Of course you know that- but as long as you think you are getting one over on others. that is all that matters eh?

            Sad really.

          2. George

            The Doctor who claimed the vaccines don’t work against the delta variant among other nonsense claims.

            You said you’ve never encountered an anti-vaxxer. He is one:
            “So, I really believe very strongly that Malaysian should shut down their vaccine program as we speak,”
            https://factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QW7UP-1

            Also sued for using job titles from a place he no longer worked:
            https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936

      2. Yoji

        The admins here have talked about Genocide and you say you haven’t met a true anti-vaxxer? If someone thinks there is a genocide going on don’t you think that’s a smidge anti the fecking thing?

        1. SOQ

          A true anti vaxxer is- to me at least- someone who is against ALL vaccines. The vast majority of people who have concerns about these CoVid-19 vaccines are not ‘anti vaxxers’.

          It’s a convenient slur- but it is usually not true.

          1. Yoji

            The issues for you may be “The issues are vaccine passports and mandates- in other words, people’s right to choose.” There are people here who are very much against the COVID vacs because of a potential genocide. I bang on about genocide because it’s a huge accusation that can’t be just left hang there. You have supported these people and argued with them. You are on the side of lunatics.

          2. SOQ

            Well if you ‘bang on’ then it must be under one of your other usernames eh?

            My point was about the use of the ‘anti vaxxer’ label. Even if they are what you describe as “lunatics”- if they have taken other vaccines then they are NOT ‘anti vaxxers’.

        2. John Smith

          @SOQ
          ‘The vast majority of people who have concerns about these CoVid-19 vaccines are not ‘anti vaxxers’’

          @Yoji
          You have supported these people and argued with them. You are on the side of lunatics.

          Over time, a lot of words or phrases change their meaning or develop an additional one, with use. This is normally a ‘natural’ process but is sometimes deliberately engineered. When deliberately engineered, the change or development is usually speedy and may have a clear or underlying purpose, related, for example, to promotion, politics or propaganda.

          When the change or new use has been recognised by whatever standards are applied (e.g. examples of this usage in a number of cases), it is included in dictionary definitions and this can happen very quickly. An engineered development is, therefore, given ‘authority’ and the true meaning can be side-lined or completely eclipsed, even when the new/changed meaning is a travesty of the original meaning.

          This is what has happened with the term anti-vaccination (and its various abbreviated forms). Anti-vaccination means ‘opposed to vaccination’ and can be applied, in truth, to very few people (like SOQ, I know no-one who holds that view). However, as an insult or to divert attention from the arguments being made relating to the Covid-19 vaccination programme (setting aside the question of whether these are truly vaccinations) and other Covid-related issues, the term is used as a weapon against people who are plainly not anti-vaccination but are simply not accepting the official line. The use of the ‘anti-vax(x)’ is not just a convenience, it also helps to draw attention away from the real meaning of the full term.

          The vast majority of those who are labelled ‘anti-vax’ are ordinary people with ordinary attitudes to most things. Their arguments relating to what is now happening would have been those of most other people before (freedom to choose whether to be vaccinated, freedom to go to the pub, etc). There are some with extreme views, yes. There are some with extreme views in the opposite camp, too, and some of these are in control in their countries, with frightening results. Are you, Yoji, happy to be lumped together with those who, for example, are firing on protestors or locking people up in isolation camps? I guess you must be, as you consider that everyone who espouses a particularly viewpoint is, automatically, supportive of anyone else, no matter how extreme their statements (or actions?), who espouses the same viewpoint.

          1. Yoji

            The vast majority are not who I was talking about. The lunatics are the admin/s on this site who have said that there is a genocide going on and continually put stories up that are provable BS to back up their delusions. Do you agree with them? Can I not?

  2. delacaravanio

    Broadsheet’s recent infatuation with the European minor football leagues continues. Ever hear of the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon, Bodger?

      1. delacaravanio

        This website doesn’t care about footballers’ health. It cares about pushing antivaxxers latest hobby horse.

        Did this website report on the health of any footballers before March 2020? It barely covered sport from what I can remember.

        1. Bodger

          delacaravanio, ‘This website doesn’t care about footballers’ health’. We care more than any mainstream sports journalist on this island.

          1. Too Miuch Too Long

            Sadly it seems he wasnt vaccinated but had been on a stag do in the capital the weekend just gone. His friends in the group have come forward to say that they had been using cocaine and ecstacy. His girlfriend has also said that he regularly injected performance enhancing steroids. Terribly sad, please be careful with all drugs and try to use common sense whether they are legal or not. Praying for his health.

          2. delacaravanio

            Lots of doping in football, and it’s well established that anabolic steroid use is associated with high blood pressure and increased risk of certain heart conditions, such as left ventricular hypertrophy.

          3. Nigel

            You don’t care enough to report on it properly, only highly selectively with many facts ommitted, which is not the good kind of caring.

          4. John

            You say you “care about footballers” and dare to suggest that “we care more that any mainstream sports journalist”!

            You obviously have no sense of irony, posting dangerous non- scientific nonsense, supporting delusional conspiracies and links to Dr. Twitter and Dr Facebook in a pathetic attempt to link lifesaving vaccines with footballer’s heart incidents.
            If you had any journalist integrity you wouldn’t be insulting many fine journalists that have promoted the use of life saving defibrillators in amateur G.A.A. pitches and elsewhere over the years.

            There is nothing new in young men and women collapsing on the pitch and there has been a zero increase above the background normal level in the number of young men and young women experiencing heart incidents apart from bottom scraping by the anti vax minority

            A cursory glance at the web should give you a feel for the unfortunate sheer amount of heart incidents in amateur and professional football prior to the outbreak of Corona virus but that obviously would’t fit the BS posted on Broadsheet narrative.

            Why not try a bit of journalism for a change?

            https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/living-to-tell-a-tale-of-luck-and-quick-thinking-26609214.html
            December 26 2010
            Four minutes was all the time Seaghan Kearney’s team-mates had to save his life after he suffered Sudden Cardiac Arrest three months ago during an indoor football match at St Oliver Plunketts GAA club in Dublin.

            By Gavin QuinnSports reporter , 3 OCT 2018
            https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/london-gaa-investigating-defibrillator-after-13354664
            London GAA investigating defibrillator after city’s hurling captain collapses on field

            Bimpe Archer 01 September, 2018
            More than 2,000 people have been trained to use defibrillators since the death of Tyrone GAA captain Cormac McAnallen
            https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/09/01/news/more-than-2-000-people-have-been-trained-to-use-defibrillators-since-the-death-of-tyrone-gaa-captain-cormac-mcanallen-1422136/

            By The Newsroom 28th March 2017,
            https://www.derryjournal.com/news/former-derry-gaa-captain-one-lucky-ones-who-lived-tell-tale-1139353
            When Kevin McCloy tells you a defibrillator can save lives, he’s speaking from experience. The 38-year-old former Derry GAA captain and Lavey player almost died in 2014.

            https://www.the42.ie/clive-clarke-irish-footballer-interview-agent-3409021-May2017/
            AT 27 YEARS of age, Clive Clarke’s world was turned upside down. After suffering a cardiac arrest during Leicester City’s League Cup tie with Nottingham Forest in 2007, the Wicklow man was forced to retire from the game he loved.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Unlike the almost orgasmic joy you get out of posting about people collapsing and attributing it to the vaccine, rather than the virus.

        1. SOQ

          Projection 101 right there.

          There is plenty of fully vaccinated people dying from CoVid-19. Nobody is, nor should be, gloating about that either.

          Highlighting the dangers of these experimental gene therapies is a completely different matter.

          1. Nigel

            ‘Highlighting the dangers of these experimental gene therapies is a completely different matter.’

            Yes, most of the stories that do so are effectively lies, like this one.

  3. Slightly Bemused

    It seems that either there is an increase in heart related problems amongst athletes, or just an increase awareness. This worries me a little.
    As someone who is not an athlete but did suffer what I was told was a ‘transitory tachycardia event’ but hurt like bejaysus, I truly wish this young man well, and hope others are not so afflicted.

    1. John

      I sincerely hope you are fully vaccinated. If not at least discuss it with a health professional.
      If you are bothered about any heart symptoms it’s very important to get a prompt, accurate diagnosis and appropriate care, if you have any doubts about experiencing an arrhythmia of some sort get yourself checked out..

      Ask your Doctor and they will arrange a simple non invasive test that will reassure you and put your mind at rest.

    1. George

      You can give out as many vouchers for German supermarkets as you want. They really should have checked with you to see if they were helping the needy in the proper way.

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