
Labour party leader and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore appeared on The Week in Politics last night on RTE 1 from his party conference in Killarney.
Presenter Aine Lawlor asked about top ups in the charity sector and the decision by the coalition government to breach pay caps for their own advisers.
Aine Lawlor: “The other big issue that has been causing concern is the issue of top-up payments and The Taoiseach has been very clear, he says that The Governent is going to weed out sweeteners. How much credibility do you have? For instance, you and The Taoiseach both pay your advisers more than the pay-cap for government advisers – you’re breaching it for yourselves – what right do you have, morally to tell the hospitals they can’t breach it too?”
Gilmore: “The Taoiseach and I reduced the salaries that we pay ourselves, reduced the salaries that of all of the staff who work for us are paid. We have set down what The Government pay guidelines are – and all of the agencies that are funded by The State are expected to comply with those guidelines.”
Lawlor: “…Are expected – so does that mean that mean that’s a given -because there are existing contracts and so on – there are legal constraints, broader sector entities and so on. So do you think – now, you’ve got a salary cap, I think €136,000 per hospital – for one of these hospitals for instance, do you think that’s going to be implemented across the board in these hospitals in the year ahead?”
Gilmore: “Yes – I do, and I expect it will..
Lawlor: {interrupts} “..Would that be a condition of signing contracts?”
Gilmore: “In many cases – these agencies are funded by The State, they get tax-payers’ money – we set out, and The HSE asked each of these agencies to report to them what the salaries were and whether there were top-ups and what these top-ups were. That’s where this information is coming from – The Government is determined that the pay guidelines that we have set across the Public Service will apply in the bodies that are funded by The State.”
Lawlor: “So, say for instance Thomond Children’s Hospital, Holles Street Hospital – the most the person running that hospital would be able to be paid would be 136,000 – is that right?”
Gilmore: “The salary guidelines that were set down, that were set out – the public pay guidelines, those public pay guidelines, our intention is that those guidelines will be complied with..”
Lawlor: “In 2014?”
Gilmore: “We’ve heard each of the agencies in the last… – to make their report to The HSE – that’s done – in most cases they’ve complied, in some cases they are not complying. It is The Government’s intention that there will be compliance across the board.”
Lawlor: “And that would be a condition of funding for these institutions?”
Gilmore: “There are a number of instruments that are available to government if the agencies don’t comply.”
Lawlor: “Such as?”
Gilmore: “Such as cases that are being funded and reduce that funding correspondingly.”
Lawlor: “And you’re determined to go through with that?”
Gilmore: “Yes we are determined – we have set public service pay guidelines and we are determined that those public service pay guidelines are already applied in the main public service and we are now talking about agencies that are funded by the public purse – that are funded by the tax-payer and we are determined that those guidelines will be complied with in those agencies as well.”
Lawlor: “So, there’ll be no exception?”
Gilmore: “‘We don’t intend that there will be exceptions – each agency has to report to The HSE – that process is underway, but The Government’s determination is that the pay guidelines will be complied with.”
Lawlor: “Even though there has been exceptions for instance in government with your own advisors despite having breached your own cap?”
Gilmore: “No,there aren’t exceptions, if you look at the levels of pay that are paid to anybody who is working in the government system, you will find that the level of pay is down – was reduced from what it was before – when we came into government, significantly reduced in each of those cases.”
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