Hangin’ Like A Sign

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This afternoon.

Pfizer vaccine volunteer, Glenn Deshields, a lobbyist from Austin, Texas, USA compares the side effects of the Pfizer rona jab to “a severe hangover” without any preceding hooch-filled fun.

Hic.

Pfizer vaccine volunteer describes side affects as ‘severe hangover’ (Independent.ie)

39 thoughts on “Hangin’ Like A Sign

  1. ian-oh

    ”Severe hangover”?

    Sure I’ve worked through them, jumbo breakfast roll for the essential greases and salts, lots of water and coffee (sometimes a dioralyte to help with the diuretic properties of the coffee because there is no way I’m going to hang without it), some ibuprofen (depending on severity sometimes neurofen + for the codeine but regular is usually enough) and 2 or 3 apples and a few mandarins to make me feel like I am being healthy.

    Job done.

    1. Charger Salmons

      What a lightweight.
      It’s when you wake up in a different country wearing someone else’s shoes and your wallet contains EXACTLY the same amount of money you started out with and you’re sharing a doorway with a large garden ornament that you know you’ve got a decent hangover.
      A sharpener and a box-fresh packet of ciggies is the only cure.

        1. ian-oh

          Dunno about these vaccines though, I have been attempting to ‘vaccinate’ myself against alcoholism for years without success.

          To be fair, the attempt was fun.

      1. Eoghan O'Mahony

        Alick, would like to pick your brain if I may? Yesterday, the Journal posted an article discussing reinfection about which Dr Máirín Ryan, Hiqa’s Deputy CEO and Director of Health Technology Assessment, said that new evidence has demonstrated that reinfection can occur after recovery from SARS-CoV-2. She went on say ““Worldwide, at least fourteen patients have been infected twice by SARS-CoV-2; these reinfections were confirmed by genetic evidence that showed the first and second infections were caused by different viral strains.” Does this mean that the reinfection was from a different strain and therefore such immunity wouldn’t arise anyway, or might immunity be applicable to various strains? Also, would this have an impact on a vaccine’s effectiveness (i.e. if different strains as it was here, would the vaccinated also still be vulnerable to “reinfection”)? Does it count as “reinfection” if infected by a different strain?

        1. alickdouglas

          OK, so my knowledge of this field is pretty thin. For proper info I’d encourage you to look a bit deeper: one brilliant source is virology.ws run by Vincent Racaniello at Columbia NY. He has a slightly out of date article here: https://www.virology.ws/2020/08/27/sars-cov-2-reinfection-what-does-it-mean/ More valuable are his podcasts, but himself and his mates are extraordinarily long-winded, although knowledgeable.

          I’m not certain how many convincing re-infections there have been , perhaps not 14 but certainly more than one. Racaniello cites only two, but that was back in September. He maintains that as long as re-infections don’t cause clinical symptoms they are of limited concern (but see the link above).

          When it comes to viral vaccines (for well characterised viral pathogens, NOT COVID), developers typically have to show impact vs. mutants. For example novel polio vaccines need to show impact against a short list of non-vaccine types. Back in 2009, drift and shift was a major concern for H1N1v. Some manufacturers therefore chose (but were not compelled) to publish immunological data in non-human primates suggesting impact against mutants. This was one of the drivers behind the use of adjuvants by Novartis and GSK, as there was evidence that these vaccines could defeat mutants in NHPs).

          Finally, it’s getting a bit harder to keep on top of some aspects of this question because of the shifting dynamics in vaccine technology. Mutations are (at least theoretically) concerning when vaccines are based on long viral sequences or structures (such as inactivated vaccines). However, many COVID vaccines candidates built on novel technologies such as mRNA appear capable of eliciting encouraging responses in non human primates using only a small amount of viral protein/genetic material. I genuinely have no idea if this might make them more susceptible to irrelevance due to mutation, or more robust.

          oh, even the term ‘different strain’ is controversial. As specialists like Racaniello point out, every viral particle is ‘different’. It is humans who categorise them into strains, and the strain differences are set arbitrarily. So, discussions that circle around ‘different strains’ lead to bunfights.

  2. Micko

    Hmmm, I wonder if this common amongst most of the 22K recipients?

    I’ve never had any reaction to any vaccine I’ve ever had.

    1. ian-oh

      I always get that sore arm thing for about a day or so after the flu jab, nothing major but you can tell its there alright.

    2. Brother Barnabas

      my sister’s aunt’s lover’s girlfriend knows a fellow who used to work in place that shared a carpark with another outfit that used to deal with Pfizer and a lad who worked there told someone that the whole thing is “highly concerning” and that 99.6% of the “volunteers” didnt seem like volunteers at all and every single one of them was “walking really weird like” after the jab

      obviously I’m not saying this is definitely the case and it’s wrong to speculate but we should all at least give some consideration to freaking out right now

      am I doing it right, micko?

      1. ian-oh

        Roll it back there a second BB; so the fella your sister’s aunt’s lover’s girlfriend knows, did he have two pints in his hand?

        Cos if so, then I think I’m am going to freak out. How and where the fupp did he get TWO pints, I can’t even get one at the moment FFS…..

      2. Micko

        Eh… are you having a meltdown today Brother?

        All I’m saying is I’ve never had a reaction to the flu jab. And curious is the hangover reaction common and what we would expect.

        Jesus man – calm down. Have a xanax or something

    1. Eoghan O'Mahony

      just as well for us all then that there’s a plucky band of benevolent pharma giants ready to battle those titans of the anti-vaccine industry….

  3. f_lawless

    That’s gas. I posted a comment, the content of which was a few quotes taken from a recent study very relevant to this post and a link to the study itself. The study was co-authored by Prof Ronald Veazey, who has an exceptionally high h-index of 59, and the link I included was to The Wiley Online Library.. However, the comment disappeared instantly

    1. Brother Barnabas

      you need to add a “AntiVaxx LooLaa Alert” to your comments, f_lawless, instead of the “ah, I’m just a regular guy with an inquisitive mind” to stop that happening

    2. Micko

      Did you edit the comment after you posted it F_lawless?

      Sometimes when I do that my comments disappear.

      Nothin to do with the BS lads

    3. f_lawless

      Ah, the usual suspects with nothing much to contribute except personal attacks.

      Another try: the same paper published on a US government website: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/

      Scientists who call for greater adherence to established ethical and safety protocols during Covid vaccine trials are not “”anti-vaxx”. On the contrary, they’re very much “pro-vax” ,worried about the potential risk to public confidence in vaccines and the medical scientific community if there’s a fallout from standards not being adhered to.

  4. f_lawless

    Maybe original comment was deemed too long. I’ll try a shorter version:
    __________

    I wonder did the volunteer in the video fully comprehend the specific risk of the vaccine causing him to be converted from someone who experiences mild disease after subsequent exposure to the virus in circulation, to someone who experiences severe disease?

    According to this study, by two reputable scientists, Prof. Ronald Veazey (h-index: 59) and Prof Timothy Cardozo, the probability of the above phenomenon occurring is “high enough to be significant” and that proper comprehension by volunteers of the specific risk is an issue in current vaccine trials.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795

  5. italia'90

    “With my work, I’m very very involved in corona virus, everyday I represent Firefighters, so I mean they’re on the frontlines of this thing all the time, so I mean our major thing is protecting them….”
    Compare and contrast that statement with this tweet exchange of his:
    https://twitter.com/glenn_deshields/status/1318308676659195908
    “But have you been exposed to the virus?”
    “Negative. I don’t even go to the office.”

    I’m not saying he’s a liar, but he is a lobbyist and gets paid to lobby politicians for a living.
    His non verbal comms are way off too.
    If I was playing poker against him in a heads up, I’d be calling every raise or re-raise he makes.
    You scratch your nose when you’re bluffing. He does it twice in Quick concession.
    He’s a bit of a gun nut and a patriot fantasist too by the sounds of it.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      what I took from that was that he’s desperately begging us to read between the lines and conclude that he’s a real hero… he compared his participation in the trial to WW1

      1. italia'90

        Yup.
        Glad I’m not alone reading between the lines about our hero here.
        All I’m hearing lately is the narrative pushed in WW1.
        Home by Christmas, fighting in the trenches, Fall in line,
        Follow the flag, blah, blah, blah.
        But this jabroni is away with the mamalukes!

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