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20/06/2013. Dail debates Protection of Life during

The phone lines in the office of Fine Gael TD Peter Mathews have been disconnected as the party makes efforts to move him to new accommodation. Mr Mathews is not satisfied with the new office space on offer and also doesn’t want to move.

…He said he is still based in the office but his “phone lines have been disconnected”. “I am attempting to resolve the matter,” he said. Mr Mathews said he is dealing with the relevant authorities about his move. “I’ll deal with everybody right to the top,” he said.

 

Peter Mathews’ phone lines cut off in Dail office move dispute (Fionnan Sheahan, Irish Independent)

Previously: It Wrote Itself

(Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland)

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The Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists wishes to allay the fears of the public following statements made the Seanad this week during the debate on the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013.

The destructive methods described for second trimester termination of pregnancy are currently not carried out in this jurisdiction, nor will they be in the future. The procedure currently practised in the Republic of Ireland is induction of labour using medication called prostaglandins. This will not change as a result of the enactment of this legislation.

If a viable foetus is delivered, all efforts are made to preserve its life where possible.

 

A press release issued this afternoon by the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in response to statements made in the Seanad this week.

Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists responds to statements on Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 (RCPI)

Previously: Opposing The Guilt-Free Abortion

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Senator Paschal Mooney speaking last night on his proposed Amendment 40 to the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill where a suicidal woman would be compelled to view an ultrasound scan of her pregnancy.

He expresses his gratitude to Senator Brian Ó Domhnaill for providing him with abortion statistics.

Previously: Rank

Never Go Full TD

Thanks Oireachtas Retort

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A Fianna Fáil senator has been accused of reaching a new low after he said allowing abortions in cases of fatal foetal abnormalities would be “depriving future Special Olympics athletes of being born”.

Brian Ó Domhnaill said allowing terminations in such circumstances could lead to babies with Down’s syndrome being “left to die on sterilised trays”.

Labour’s Aideen Hayden said it was “incredibly low” to suggest there is any link between disability and fatal abnormalities — especially as the House was preparing for a discussion last night on the Special Olympics.
 

Senator: Abortions would deprive future Special Olympians of life (Mary Regan, Irish Examiner)

Previously: Fada Shortage

Pro-Life’s ‘Lunatic fringe’ And The Special Olympics

Pic: brianodomhnaill.ie

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Joining Vincent on last night’s ‘Tonight with Vincent Browne’ were Louise Bayliss of SPARK, pro life media consultant John McGuirk, singer and actress Mary Coughlan and Sunday Independent political correspondent Daniel McConnell.

We pick it up from the 28:25 mark and the criminalisation aspect to the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

Later, Mary Coughlan asks John McGuirk as to what pro-life people want women who are contemplating having a termination should do?

Daniel McConnell: “I mean this is the fundamental problem with the pro life side in my view is that they seem to have no problem whatsoever with people going over to England and dealing…or people going across the border. They seem to traditionally have liked to bury their head in the sand and think that no issue has existed.”

Vincent Browne: “I don’t think that’s fair, Daniel. They’re are a lot of pro-life people deeply regret the fact this happens but don’t see a way of stopping it.”

John McGuirk: “Vincent, can I say something?”

Browne: “No, no, let Daniel talk.”

McConnell: “No, Vincent we might come from different points of view. This is an issue I have studied at length and ah we have seen a pro-life campaign dogged and kind of shredded in religious dogma and I think what I’ve sought from the get-go from Savita’s death is that we park everyone’s ideology at the door and let medical fact and evidence you know be at the core of any discussion we’ve had. But I’ve been very alarmed by a lot of the noises from the pro-life side and I’m not either one or the other. I’ve very particular views on this but I’m alarmed at the number of people who seem to think it’s no problem for people to go over to England and deal with this, as long as it’s just not on our own doorstep. And I think Billy Kelleher raised a very interesting and very very pertinent point there this evening, I mean what happens when a 14 year old girl you know, with the access to the internet ah and can go off to get this stuff, does she not run the risk of not dobbing her doctor in or, or getting herself into trouble for fear of criminal prosecution?”

McGuirk: “It’s the worst provision in the bill. It’s one of the, if not the worst provisions in the bill and it is in there and it is specifically in there and Labour TD’s have been telling their people this everytime they’re asked to placate the pro-life side because that’s what they think we want. They think we want to lock women up. It is an absolutely..every word that Billy Kelleher said there is accurate. That is a provision in the treaty, in this bill that is designed first of all Enda who genuinely thinks his backbenchers are, by the way the people wo are putting down amendmenents tonight are Colm Keaveney, he’s pro-life and voting no to the bill. Lucinda Creighton who’s pro-life and voting no to the bill. They’re the people voting for this and it’s the Labour pro-choice people who are voting to keep it in the bill and that is utterly wrong. It should not be in the bill, it should never be in the bill. In relation to the point that you made about pro-lifers being happy about people to go abroad, I regard abortion and I think nearly everyone who is pro-life is a grave wrong and something I do not want to see happen in Irish hospitals, performed by Irish doctors, happen in this country because I think we have principles as a nation and we should defend. I do not think it is practicable for me or anyone else to stand at the gates of Dublin airport and interrogate women for the reasons they’re travelling abroad anymore than it would be to interrogate a student travelling to Holland, “Are you going to smoke drugs do you know that’s illegal here?”. Or a guy travelling to Thailand to pursue whatever activities that are legal there but may not be legal here.”

McConnell: “But John just because people are travelling to England doesn’t mean the problem doesn’t exist, it just means that we’re exporting it.”

Mary Coughlan: “It’s a problem that exists now and has done for many many years. What is it that you would have us do?”

McGuirk: [Silent pause]

Coughlan: “What is it you would have us do?”

McGuirk: “This problem..”

Coughlan: “What is it you would have me do?”

McGuirk: “Well I, well I…what I’d have you do right now is…”

Coughlan: “I’m a little old now you know…I’m a…”

McGuirk: “What I’d have you do right now is, let me answer the question, which is this. Em, what I would have us do in this country which is something by the way, for a debate that is so divisive Mary, I think that if you and I can agree on nothing else this evening we should be able to agree on the fact and Louise as well, that the services that we provide to women in a crisis pregnancy in this country are not good enough. That the supports we provide to people who have pregnancies where and by the way, I’m not taking about fatal foetal abnormalities here. I’m just talking about foetal abnormalities, people who are carrying children with Down’s Syndrome or very serious issues because a lot of the abortions that happen in the UK these days happen because a child has an abnormality that is not necessarily fatal but may cause problems.”

Coughlan: “I don’t know anything about that.”

Louise Bayliss: “Do you have statistics on that because I’m not sure that’s true?

Coughlan: “I’m not sure either.”

Bayliss: “I have never heard of a woman travelling to have an abortion because she found out she had a disabled child or a special needs child. The only reason a woman travels to the UK to have a child is because it’s not wanted for whatever reason, a violation of her body or whatever, financial. I have never in my life heard a woman say…”

McGuirk: “One in every six prenatal diagnoses of Down’s Syndrome in the United Kingdom end with a live birth. One in every five prenatal diagnoses of a child with Down’s Syndrome in the United States…”

Bayliss: “How many..? We’re talking about in Ireland. How many women get on the boat in Ireland?”

McGuirk: “Since…since Roe..”

Coughlan: “How do you know that?”

McGuirk: “Since Roe versus Wade, since Roe versus Wade in the United States the number of people with Down’s Syndrome has fallen by 75%. That is a factual reality.”

Coughlan: “Do you know another fact?”

McGuirk: “A factual reality.”

Coughlan: “Do you know another fact? That people of mixed race and people of a bigger gene pool and the gene pools are getting bigger and bigger.”

McGuirk: “You want to talk about mixed races? You want to talk about mixed races? 60% of every African American pregnancies [indecipherable]”

Browne: “I’m sorry, I’m sorry John we want to go over to the Dail Lucinda Creighton is speaking.”

Watch here

Earlier: A Thousand Words

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90307011903070169030702090307027903070259030702990307005Scenes outside Leinster House earlier.

Shortly before 12.30am,TDs voted by 127 to 31 in favour of the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill.

The legislation enshrines a woman’s right to a termination if her life is at risk, including from suicide.

The Government appointed Dublin TD Paschal Donohoe as Minister of State for European Affairs after Fine Gael TD Lucinda Creighton (bottom pic) voted against the Government and resigned as junior minister.

 

Dáil passes Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill (RTE)

Ireland’s parliament approves ‘life-saving’ abortion (BBC)

Historic abortion bill passed in Ireland; MPs vote 127 to 31 in favour (Times Of India)

(Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland)

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Statement by Lucinda Creighton TD, 11 July 2013

“I am deeply disappointed to have to vote against the Government’s abortion Bill today. I never wished or expected to be expelled from the Fine Gael parliamentary party. This is the party I have worked for unstintingly since I was 18 years old. I will, of course, continue to be a Fine Gael member.

I feel deeply and strongly that aspects of this Bill are based on flawed logic and absolutely zero medical evidence. I could not vote for it, particularly in light of Fine Gael’s clear commitment not to introduce abortion prior to the last election. Promises matter in politics, but particularly in relation to matters of life and death. This is a promise I could not renege on in any circumstances.

I believe that I have made the correct decision.

I have been honoured to serve as Ireland’s Minister for European Affairs for two years and four months and am grateful to Taoiseach Enda Kenny for his cooperation and goodwill throughout this period. As a Minister of State in the Department of an Taoiseach, we have worked closely and very fruitfully together. I believe that together, particularly during the six months of Ireland’s Presidency of the Council of the EU, we have achieved much in restoring Ireland’s reputation on the European and world stages.

I wish the Taoiseach and the entire Government the very best in continuing with the difficult work of restoring economic sovereignty to Ireland. I will work hard, as a member of the 31st Dáil, to compliment that work through my ongoing and enthusiastic contribution to our Parliament.”

Some say she was a TART. She campaigned to retain the threat of suicide in the 2002 campaign.

She’ll be back.

Statement by Lucinda Creighton TD, 11 July 2013

Trinity News Election Special 2002 (page 4)

(Laura Hutton / Photocall Ireland)