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Voting in last week’s referenda/ums in Dublin 8

Have we come over all ‘liberal’?

Or something else entirely.

Political Science boffin Professor Michael Gallagher, of Trinity College Dublin writes:

Did we see the emergence of a new voting pattern in Irish politics or did the familiar liberal–conservative divide raise its head once more?

Eyeballing the data certainly suggests the latter. Long-standing liberal bastions on the southside of Dublin were once again to the fore in voting

Yes, while the ten constituencies with a Yes vote lower than 55 per cent were the traditionally most conservative ones, in the west and north-west. Dublin voted 71–29 in favour while in the rest of the country it was a rather closer 59–41.

A more systematic analysis confirms this.

Comparing the percentage Yes votes on 22 May with those cast in the divorce referendum of 1995 produces a Pearson correlation (r) of 0.87, a remarkably high figure given the twenty-year time difference. (Constituency boundaries have changed since 1995, but by amalgamations we can identify 39 more or less comparable units.)

The largest ‘swings to liberalism’ were in traditionally conservative areas – Limerick West with a shift of 27 per cent, Cork NW and Cork E head the list – while the smallest swings were in relatively liberal areas (Dublin NE, Dun Laoghaire and Meath all saw the liberal vote grow by less than 5 per cent compared with 1995.)

Thus the Dublin-versus-the-rest difference narrowed in 2015: in 1995 the Dublin margin was 64–36 compared with 45–55 in the rest of country, a 19-point difference, but in the 2015 vote, as mentioned above, the difference was just 12 points.

In short, votes were cast very much along the established liberal–conservative dimension, with the liberal side now decidedly in the ascendant….

Gulp.

More here: On the same-sex marriage and presidential age referendums (Michael Gallagher, PoliticalReform.ie)

Meanwhile…

The fact that many Mass-going Catholics voted ‘yes’ (a substantial minority probably) is indeed a reality check for the Church.

The reality check is that the Church has done almost no catechesis in the area of marriage for years and years. It has done lots of pastoral counselling, but it has not taught on a systematic basis what marriage is and why it is so important to society and why it can only be between a man and a woman by its very nature.

It has not explained why this is not “exclusionary” but in fact protects the very basis and rationale for the institution.

The failure to teach in this way is why many Catholics were bowled over when the referendum came, especially as they have been subjected by the media to such relentless propaganda in favour of gay marriage for years.

Now that the referendum has been carried it is more imperative than ever that the Church teaches very clearly on the issue of marriage. It will need to contrast its belief about marriage with the State’s new version of marriage and make crystal clear to people why it believes what it believes.

The Church must always teach what is true both in season and out of season. Its teaching on marriage is now out of season. So be it. It must teach it all the same..

A ‘reality check’, but which kind? (David Quinn, The Irish Catholic)

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The West Australian

 

Jonathan writes:

From yesterday’s edition of the ‘West Australian’, the (somewhat right wing) newspaper of record in this part of Oz. This letter was printed unchallenged and with no view from the opposing side. Personally I read this in the voice of an irritated Alf Stewart. Great that the Irish result is stirring up so much debate around the world though.

Tony Abbott?

Bill Shorten?

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Via Helen Moyes

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It seems to be escalating.

Yesterday: God Hates Flags

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Crumlin Shopping Centre writes:

This is deeply upsetting, The Westboro Baptist Church just sent me this…

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Where were you?

A heart-gladdening compilation of images and personalities  [Including Senator Katherine Zappone and partner Ann Louise Gilligan top] and sounds from the Marriage Referendum compiled by GAZE International LGBT film festival Dublin.

Mmf.

Directed & Produced by Anna Rodgers; Edited by Bob Gallagher; Co-Producer Zlata Filipovic; Camera by Ken O’ Mahony, Bob Gallagher, Deirdre O’ Toole; Music by Hugh Rodgers; Online by Michael Higgins. In association with Invisible Thread Films.

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Joe Ó Ceallaigh writes:

Interesting article on [Irish language paper] Tuairisc from Brazil-based Dutch Gaeilgeoir Alex Hijmans on how the ‘Tá Comhionnanas’ (Yes Equality) campaign and badges created a positive attitude towards Irish.

I think this is important because many usually open-minded, liberal Broadsheeters can be quick to lump Irish in with all that they see as backward in Ireland. Yes there are conservative Irish speakers just as there are many conservative mono-lingual English speakers. Pick up the Sindo if you don’t believe me.

There are also many people who learn and speak Irish because they have an outlook which views the world as a rich and diverse tapestry of different cultures. Which attitude is more liberal and progressive? That of the bilingual person or the arrogant stance of the Gaeilge basher who can only speak one language?

“I bhfocail eile, fianaise é fairsinge na gcnaipí ‘Tá’ nach mbreathnaítear ar an nGaeilge a thuilleadh mar ghné den chuing choimeádach, Chaitliceach a mhothaigh go leor Éireannach ar a nguaillí leis na céadta bliain.”

Roughly – “Widespread wearing of the ‘Tá’ badge means that that the Irish language is not seen as part of the narrow, conservative Catholicism that kept the Irish people on their knees for hundreds of years”

Fightiní!

Is mó an dea-thoil a chothaigh ‘Tá Comhionannas’ don Ghaeilge ná scata eagraíochtaí Gaeilge le blianta (Tuairisc)

Pic: Ruth Medjbar

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Same-sex marriage supporters celebrating at Dublin Castle last Saturday, top, and Cardinal Pietro Parolin, above

Ah here.

The Guardian reports:

“’I was deeply saddened by the result,’ Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s secretary of state, said at a conference in Rome on Tuesday night. ‘The church must take account of this reality, but in the sense that it must strengthen its commitment to evangelisation. I think that you cannot just talk of a defeat for Christian principles, but of a defeat for humanity.'”

“… with his choice of words, Parolin differed from the pope in one respect: the Argentinian pontiff has also used the phrase “defeat for humanity”, but he was talking about war, not the legalisation of gay marriage.”

In fairness.

Vatican says Ireland gay marriage vote is ‘defeat for humanity’ (The Guardian)

Pic: Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland and Catholic Ireland 

Yesterday: In The Middle Of A Chain Reaction

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James Gabriel Martin writes:

Here’s a really special man and photo I got on Saturday at Dublin Castle as the results rolled in. Eighty-year-old Charlie Mooney was there with his daughter Kate to celebrate the passing of the referendum.

STILL mmmf-ing.

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Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 10.50.01Senators David Norris and Katherine Zappone arriving at Dublin Castle on Saturday

“I very much doubt if married couples all over the country woke up yesterday, looked at each other and said: “Oh darling, I feel so much less married to you today.” I never believed in this parsimonious, dog-in-the-manger approach.

I am with Daniel O’Connell, the great apostle of Catholic emancipation. When some mean-minded members of the Protestant ascendancy suggested that giving freedom and dignity to their Catholic fellow citizens would diminish their own position, O’Connell replied that freedom and dignity were not finite resources.”

“Paradoxically, by giving them to other people you actually increased the general sum total of these virtues and of the public welfare.”

It is all over now, as the Rolling Stones used to sing, and I forgive and forget the No campaigners. But I am immensely grateful to my heterosexual fellow citizens who went out of their way to vote Yes. Without them we could not have won. I will always be grateful, having been voted by a majority of the citizens of the Irish Republic to be at last a free and equal member of society.”

Remarkable journey from criminal to equal citizen (David Norris, Irish Times)

Pic: Sally Hayden

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Martyn Turner (Irish Times)