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Rob Reeves writes:

I feel that constructive conversation has been largely non existent leading up to this referendum. I wanted to do my bit by talking with someone from each side.

Tomorrow Rob will post an interview with Karl Callen, writer and director of the film Repeal.

Rob Reeves

https://twitter.com/made0fglitter/status/999280581685870593

People return to Ireland ahead of Friday’s referendum on the Eighth Amendment.

Via #hometovote

Previously: Home To Vote Souvenir (2015)

Bonkers writes:

Maria Oswalt from Alabama is running the @Ireland Twitter account this week. She has just arrived in Dublin for (she says) a 3 month holiday so she can see her boyfriend who studies in Trinity…

…But the thing is Maria’s father Tommy Oswalt (with Maria, above) says the reason why Maria is here for the next 3 months is to “work with the Life Institute on their campaign to save the 8th Amendment and keep Ireland abortion free”…

…And here is Maria on the campaign trail in Alabama…

So it would seem that the Life Institute are allowing volunteers from America work for their campaign. I’m pretty sure this is in breach of Irish immigration law which forbids work (either paid or unpaid) when you are here on a tourist visa.

Anyone?

Tonight.

FIGHT!

Eighth Amendment Referendum Talks LIVE (RTÉ)

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar

In the realistic manner of Hulk Hogan.

He wrestled with his conscience.

In an interview on BBC Mr Varadkar said he believed the country’s current abortion laws were too restrictive and indicated he would support liberalisation.

He said “We will have that referendum, hopefully in the summer and we should be in a position to make a decision on that in Government next week.”

When asked if he will be campaigning for the abortion laws to be relaxed Mr Varadkar replied:

I’ll be campaigning for them to be changed and to be liberalised, yes”.

He was asked if his views had changed since 2014, when he said he was pro-life. He replied:

“I suppose in that period I think it’s fair to say that my own views on this matter have evolved but I think sometimes that term pro-life and pro-choice can be misunderstood, you know, I think even people who are in favour of abortion in certain circumstances are pro-life, you know. I still believe in life but I understand that there are circumstances under which pregnancies can’t continue.”

 

Over to you again, Micheál.

Taoiseach to campaign to liberalise abortion laws (RTÉ)

Rollingnews

Pro-life group Love Both’s campaign to keep the Eighth Amendment

 

The claim that 90 per cent of babies diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome in Britain are aborted is not inaccurate but it is rather misleading.

What it leaves out is the very large number of women – between 30 and 40 per cent – who choose not to be screened for DS because they have already decided that even if the test were positive they would continue with the pregnancy anyway.

In Holland, only 35 per cent of women choose to be screened. Prof Eva Pajkrt, co-author of a Dutch study, told the Oireachtas committee on the Eighth Amendment:

“We asked women their reasons. One reason was that many women in the Netherlands felt that Down syndrome was not something we should screen for. I think that reflects our way of counselling women and giving them their own choice. Our healthcare is based on patient autonomy and what women want.”

Choice operates both ways – some women choose abortion, some choose to raise a child with DS.

…The choice to continue with a DS pregnancy is made, not in the abstract, but in real life. Anti-abortion campaigners claim that the Eighth Amendment has made Ireland a lovely place to have a DS child.

Love Both’s pamphlet says of DS that “we have a culture of equality and inclusion that we can be proud of”. Senator Rónán Mullen claims, “We have a tradition here in Ireland where children with Down syndrome are perhaps more cherished than in many other countries.”

That would be the DS children who wait two years for a wheelchair or three years for language therapy. That would be Ireland whose grand total of DS clinical nurse specialists is precisely one – and she’s paid by a charity, not by the State.

Fintan O’Toole in yesterday’s Irish Times

Child with Down syndrome will be face of anti-abortion campaign (Fintan O’Toole, irish Times)

Alternatively…

Charlie Fien is a UK-based Down’s Syndrome activist.

Fianna Fail leader Micheál Martin

Concerning the ‘seismic shift’ of Micheál Martin coming out as in favour of repealing the 8th Amendment, I’m a little surprised  people aren’t seeing the stroke that’s being played here.

Discerning the flow of the tide – be it from opinion poll data, focus groups, a cold hard look at the marriage equality vote – Micheál Martin and the FF leadership have seen the writing on the wall and realised that all indicators say that repeal will carry in a referendum.

At its 2017 Árd Fheis, FF voted conclusively to take a pro-life stance on the issue of the 8th Amendment. That position has not changed.

Martin, in my opinion, is now working tactically in order to secure a least-worst-option salvage operation and continues to act in the interests of his party, his support base, and cumanns all of which have registered a majority interest in a pro-life stance.

One of the most cynical aspects of the play has been for the leader to claim that he is speaking in a personal capacity.

This is unfathomable in a party that adhere’s strongly to the power of the grassroots and the assertion of that power through decisions of the Árd Fheis.

Martin is playing the long game with a pro-life agenda and you can guarantee that the party faithful’s concerns are being assuaged in constituency clinics the country over this morning. ‘Trust Micheál, he knows what he’s doing…’

Accepting that they cannot win to ‘save the 8th’ in a referendum, FF are now trying to insert an option C into what had been until now a binary debate.

Their new play is that the legal vacuum created by the repeal of the 8th would cause legal uncertainty and thus, if we cannot save the 8th, we must amend it.

This concept has been floating around the discourse in pro-life circles for some time now; see certain moderate pro-lifers on twitter for examples of this kite having been flown. The underlying fallacy of the argument here is that the (de Valera authored) constitution operated perfectly well between 1937 and 1983 with no 8th amendment in it whatsoever.

The 1983 vote was one to provide for extraordinary restrictions on access to abortion services at home and abroad in the face of rapidly changing medical technologies and access to alternative jurisdictions.

The genius of Martin’s new gambit is that he does not have to win over the electorate, just the Oireachtas – and FF have a controlling stake in the Dáil at the moment – a fact they like to keep as quiet as possible about.

In all referenda, there can only be an A or B question put to the electorate. The Oireachtas, through the Cabinet, determine and sanction the wording of every referendum in consultation with the Attorney General.

One of those two options has to be, by definition, to retain the 8th Amendment in the Art. 40.3.3 of the Constitution. The second box will either be to remove the article entirely or to replace it. Micheál Martin’s position yesterday was not for repeal of the 8th but rather for option B on the ballot paper to be amendment of the 8th.

Such a move would guarantee that the people do not have the option of doing what the repeal campaign has advocated for all along; what the constitutional convention advocated for; and what a majority of cabinet (excepting our still silent Taoiseach) has indicated to be their preferred option.

If Micheál Martin’s gambit play’s off, FF can then work towards the drafting of an amendment which ensures that access to abortion in Ireland is as restrictive as they deem desirable while appearing to look liberal. Such compositional gymnastics are a Fianna Fáil speciality: viz Haughey’s ‘an Irish solution to an Irish problem’ on contraception back in 1979.

Confined to the safe and familiar territory of Leinster House and free from the rigours of real public debate, do not expect Micheál Martin’s ‘amend the 8th’ option to result in ‘free, safe, and legal’ abortion in Ireland. Expect instead applications to panels of medical experts, strict legal definitions on viability, and careful consideration and clauses on issues such as suicidal ideation.

Michaél Martin has rarely trumpeted the fact that he has had Fine Gael firmly in his grasp since the 2016 general election. All he has to do now is give a gentle tug on the rope and remind Dr Varadkar who is it that holds the power behind the throne.

If the wording of an amendment to the 8th amendment is not acceptable to FF, they can pull the plug on government in the morning – likely using some latent whistleblower scandal as a causus belli – and then we’ll be right back where we started from. Campaign funds squandered on a general election and little appetite for revisiting repeal any time soon.

Judging by the press reportage this master move in stroke politics has been swallowed hook line and sinker in many quarters with the media failing either to discern or to call out what has occurred.

It is particularly illuminating to see the Journal.ie’s article announcing Martin’s volte face where the video from Oireachtas TV cuts short of showing his clarification on amendment, instead cutting at the point where he says he favours repeal as if it was some sort of mic drop moment.

If, whenever this referendum is finally held, you find yourself staring at a ballot paper where the option for a clean and simple repeal of the 8th amendment does not appear, don’t say I didn’t warn you, and don’t forget about slippery Mick and his cunning trick.

Phryne Fisher is a Broadsheet reader.

Earlier: Ask A broadsheet Reader

Rollingnews

They’ve got experts.

Further to Wednesday’s Eighth Amendment shenanigans.

Gorugeen writes:

Look who I found on the back page of ‘Alive’. Senator [Rónán] Mullen’s experts that agree with him. He should march the whole committee [Oireachtas Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution] down to the Aisling hotel…for balance.

Fight!

Yesterday: For Those Six Minutes, They Are My Witnesses

‘sup?

Owl Wans discuss the March for Choice

By comedy double act Alan and Alan, a.k.a. Triple A

Alan writes:

With the 8th Committee once again in session, and the March4Choice last Saturday, here’s an animation about attitudes on the 8th amendment....It has talking animals, for the kids!

Triple A Comedy

An Irish solution for an Irish problem.

Daze and Orla write:

We think Irish women should have the right to choose – along with the thousands of women who marched at the Repeal the 8th rally last weekend in Dublin.

We also think Ryanair, an Irish company, should give free flights to women to come over to England and get their abortions legally.

We’re a young creative team currently on placement at advertising agencies inLondon. We were trained at the School of Communication Arts in solving problems, and this would go some way to solving Ryanair’s terrible PR at the moment, as well as women in the Republic getting safe and legal medical procedures.

Daze And Orla