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Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan

Further to the incident in Longford last night.

Last month, Social Democrats co-leader Catherine Murphy asked the Minister for Justice Charlie Flanagan:

‘What  the level of firearm training provided to armed Garda personnel in each of the years 2016, 2017 and to date in 2018; the number of gardaí by grade or rank with firearms training; the type of weapon they are trained to carry and or use; the company engaged to provide training; the cost of training on an annual basis; and if he will make a statement on the matter.’

In a written reply, Mr Flanagan said:

The Deputy will appreciate that the Garda Commissioner is responsible for managing and controlling generally the administration and business of An Garda Síochána, including by arranging for the training of its members and civilian staff and I, as Minister, have no direct role in the matter.

Training is provided by Firearms Instructors attached to the Garda College and the Emergency Response Unit under the control of the Director of Training, Garda College.

Following a recent audit conducted at the Garda College figures show there are approximately 2700 personnel that are currently authorised to carry firearms.

This can increase to approx. 3500 depending on operational requirements. This caters for all ranks of Gardaí who carry firearms.

Members attached to regular units and Detective units are trained in handguns only, namely Smith & Wesson revolver, Sig Sauer & Walther semi-automatic pistol.

Specialist Units such as Emergency Response Unit and the Armed Support Unit are trained in Sig Pistol, H&K MP7 Sub-machine gun, Taser and 40mm direct impact munitions (Less Lethal options).

For the Deputy’s information listed below are figures for attendance at firearms training in each of the years 2016, 2017 and to 31st August 2018.

2016 – 7851
2017 – 10555
2018 – 6891 as of 31st August 2018

The increase in 2017 is as a result of the increase in ASU (Armed Support Unit). Each member attends more than one training course each year.

Earlier: Meanwhile, In Longford



Mark Dennehy

The proposals for firearms ownership in Ireland was published on Friday.

How much bang for our buck?

Firearms expert Mark Dennehy writes:

This story started with proposed changes to the existing firearms legislation last November and which wound up in front of the Joint Oireachtas Committee in January this year and which saw dodgy statistics, some seriously dodgy reporting and some truly epic unintentionally comic gaffes.  the Minister for Justice  [Frances Fitzgerald] on Friday published her intended policies for firearms legislation and they look pretty decent to most of us.

In short, what’s going to happen is this:

A new civilian body, the Firearms Assessment and Appeals Authority, will be created. It will act as a way to appeal licence refusals outside of a courtroom by having an independent expert look over the application decision.

The courts will remain an option; but this should save on a lot of hassle, stop a lot of court time being wasted by misinterpretations of the Firearms Act caused by a lack of training budgets and save Garda man hours for better uses.

Semi-automatic centerfire rifles will no longer be licencable. Those who have licences for them now can apply to keep the licences based on having a good reason to keep them. This will require a new Firearms Bill to be put before the Oireachtas, we’ve not seen that Bill yet.

The Minister has already signed a Statutory Instrument that clears up some confusion over licencing smallbore pistols for target shooting, which should help settle several court cases pretty much immediately. It’s not perfect (revolvers seem to be a bit badly considered in it) but it’s a lot better than what went before and it’s a lot easier to administer.

The Gardai will establish a centralised licensing system for restricted firearms, which will make things far more consistent for those classes of firearms. This will also require a new Firearms Bill.

The Garda Inspectorate will review the administration of firearms licensing. This could lead to firearms licencing being devolved to a civil service function, as is already done everywhere else in the EU. That way, we would have experts managing licencing while the Gardai are freed up from managing a sport to do other far more important things (though they would probably still be responsible for vetting the actual applicant). Again, that would also require a new Firearms Bill.

There will be no changes whatsoever to the licensing of shotguns and the vast majority of rifles which make up 99% of licensed firearms in Ireland.

Lastly and probably most importantly, the Firearms Consultative Panel, a body that brings together all the stakeholders from the Minister to the Sports Council to the Gardai to the various national governing bodies of sport, will be reestablished.

This means that in the future, problems like this will be dealt with in regular, unsexy, scheduled, minuted meetings like any other branch of bureaucracy. No more table-pounding, no more court cases, no more electioneering, just boring, dull, unsexy, effective, mundane laws that everyone can understand and read in one place, with an official communications channel to cope with everything from new legislation to product recall notices. And we can all get back to actually training and competing and winning matches and enjoying our sport.

Not everything in there is positive. Lots of folks shoot perfectly safely with semi-auto rifles and this is not the news they wanted to wake up to today.

And personally I look forward to the idea of a Firearms Bill being debated in the pre-election silly season on the floor of the Dáil by Deputies [Finian] McGrath and [Michael] Healy-Rae in the same way I look forward to having all my teeth pulled without anaesthetic — and I will bet all the money in my pockets against all the money in your pockets right now that that particular circus is not going to produce trouble-free legislation because grandstanding on legislation for technically complex areas is a recipe for disaster.

But on the whole, this is good news – the Minister has taken just about every decent idea that was thrown at her and has run with them and also opened up a permanent line of communication to stop problems like this coming up in the future. I’m kind of in shock about that to be honest…

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Mark Dennehy writes:

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice is speaking with the new Garda Commissioner about the Policing Plan 2015. TD Finian McGrath interrupts to hold up a photo of a road sign that’s been shot at close range with a shotgun, says it’s been shot with a legally held firearm and the photo was sent to him by a constituent in Fingal and does the Commissioner think this is a serious problem? Problem is, it’s a UK road sign. The Irish road sign is a different shape, colour and design. And neither the TD, nor the Garda Commissioner, nor anyone else in the Committee notices.



RTÉ Prime Time reporter Barry Cummins in Wicklow during last night’s show


Last night Prime Time on RTÊ One tackled the issue of gun ownership in Ireland (ahead of proposed restrictive legislation).

Lots of scary synth music then.

But what did the legally held firearm-owning community think?

Was it fair and, indeed, balanced?

Marksman Mark Dennehy writes:

Where do you start? Well, actually, there’s a good place to start and that’s by spending 40 seconds passing on the one bit of information that should have been at the top of the report but was never mentioned, which is this:

The most important thing to remember is that the law keeps the public safe. The Firearms Act prohibits the Gardai from giving out firearms licences if doing so would create a threat to the public or the peace and if that threat arises after the licence is given out, the Firearms Act empowers them to revoke the licence instantly.

Firearms licence owners are vetted thoroughly by the Gardai and licences are only issued where there’s a valid reason for having the firearm, where the applicant has a safe place to use it and a secure place to store it, and these things are checked by the Gardai both during the application and at random inspections after the licence is issued.

While there are problems with the Firearms Act, they’re problems that only affect sportspeople, they don’t compromise public safety and can be readily resolved by the Oireachtas in a very straightforward manner if they so wished.

With that most important bit out of the way, last night’s report has already had a half-dozen formal complaints submitted to RTÉ on the grounds of biased coverage, so what are the specific complaints? Well…

– They never explained to the public the current state of the firearms licencing laws, never mentioned the basic requirements for getting a firearms licence or the powers granted to the Gardai (and the legal duties) to ensure that firearms licencing never compromises public safety. And they cut off the only interviewee who tried to explain them.

– They never spoke at all about the actual proposals which have been made by the Gardai. So nobody ever learned that those proposals have nothing to do with public safety. There’s no proposal to increase the minimum mandatory security levels required, there’s no proposal to introduce new criminal offences to tackle gun crime or to increase penalties for existing offences, nothing like that. The proposals explicitly and solely deal with licencing of firearms for sport.

– They never raised any questions over the garda statistics and even let [Fianna Fáil] Deputy [Finian] McGrath bring them up without comment even though both Finian and Miriam were told about the problems in those statistics last week (and every broadsheet reader was as well). Miriam even hushed Egan when he protested that the statistics were wrong, saying that he would “bamboozle them with figures”.

– They spent money on sinister sounding music and graphics when showing target shooting, but never once mentioned their 165-year-long safety record.

– They showed lots of airsoft replicas as though they were licenced firearms (which they’re not, they’re toys) and lots more illegal firearms that nobody can legally licence as though they were what the proposals were about (including footage of submachine guns that were confiscated in a drugs bust a fortnight ago in Cork, guns that aren’t legal to own anywhere in the EU).

– They said the official scheduled inspection of the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice to the range at Nurney was a happenstance casual visit and they never asked Deputy McGrath why he failed to attend that scheduled inspection as a member of the Committee (and they also quietly skipped over how Finian didn’t go to the Garda HQ presentation that day as well, and how he didn’t show up for all the committee hearings on the proposals)

– They never gave any context for the figures they presented. So they said there are about 200,000 firearms in Ireland, but they didn’t point out that this is the fourth lowest firearms ownership rate in the EU and that it’d be lower in reality because the term “Firearm” in Ireland includes many items that aren’t firearms in the EU. And they said there were approximately 1,800 licenced handguns in Ireland but never mentioned that that’s a 30% reduction in handgun ownership compared to the ownership levels we had before the Gardai and Minister sidestepped the Dail to bring in an illegal de facto ban on them in ’72.

– They kept saying that firearms stolen from licenced firearms owners were used in crime, but never mention how we’ve been asking for proof of that in the Dáil for a decade and have never heard of even one confirmed case of a stolen handgun being used in crime.

– They talked about an “Olympic Standard” pistol. I’m an ISSF-accredited judge, and I’ve been involved in Olympic shooting for 22 years now and there is no such animal. And the proposals that are being discussed would ban the entry level pistols beginners use in Olympic pistol shooting.

– They portrayed deer stalking in a very negative light, as if it was a couple of yobbos shooting deer for a bit of craic. They never mentioned the reasons for deer stalking. They said nothing about entire herds of deer starving to death over winter because of overpopulation (deer have no predators in Ireland). They didn’t mention the care the hunters take of the herd outside the shooting seasons. They barely mentioned the legislation governing it. And not one mention was made of the facts that the hunters are the eyes and ears of the National Wildlife and Parks Service against poachers, or of how hunters are the group who do more for conservation in this state than anyone else. It might not be pleasant viewing for people, but it’s a necessary thing. And why it was shown at all only for Prime Time to then say “oh, the proposals don’t affect these guns” is downright questionable.

– They brought up mass shootings like Dunblane without any details or context, like the many issues that the Cullen Inquiry raised with the Scottish Police in Dunblane and how the law that existed in Scotland at the time gave the police all the necessary powers to preempt Dunblane, but they ignored a written report from Detective Sergeant Paul Hughes where he said:

“I am firmly of the opinion that Hamilton is an unsavoury character and an unstable personality. … I would contend that Mr. Hamilton will be a risk to children whenever he has access to them and that he appears to me to be an unsuitable person to possess a firearms
certificate in view of the number of occasions he has come to the  adverse attention of the police and his apparent instability. ….respectfully request that serious consideration is given to withdrawing this man’s firearms certificate as a precautionary measure as it is my opinion that he is a scheming, devious and deceitful individual who is not to be trusted.”

– And at no point in the report did they ever give the context for the proposals – that is, the several million euro bill the Gardai are facing in court costs for over six hundred and fifty lost court cases regarding licencing; the several supreme court judgement which have stated that the Gardai and Minister acted unlawfully in regard to firearms licencing for over thirty years; and the recent development which has seen District Court case appeals being permitted to seek costs from the Gardai in the event of an applicant being successful in appealing a licencing decision.

In short then, they didn’t tell anyone what the whole story was about, they never gave context for anything, they presented the whole thing using sound and lighting cues so it all appeared very sinister and scary, and they completely skipped over the actual investigative journalism bit.

As that might have brought up a story about error-ridden garda statistics, large unnecessary court bills being footed by the taxpayer, and an attempt to rewrite the law to get around the awkwardness of having to present a case in public when a decision is challanged.

A terrible waste of airtime on a lost opportunity.

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Mark Dennehy writes:

So… remember those 1700 firearms that were listed by the Gardai as having been stolen from 2010 to 2014 in all the tabloids of late?  Interesting written question in the Dail on Tuesday this week, saw an infodump of raw data from PULSE regarding those.

Some interesting questions pop up. Why is there a fully automatic rifle listed, when only Gardai and the Defence Forces can own them? Was one stolen from the Gardai in the Eastern Dublin Metropolitan Region in 2011? Why are there 54 replicas listed as real firearms when they can’t shoot bullets? Why are there 266 rounds of ammunition listed as individual firearms in the numbers? Why were 18 telescopes listed as individual firearms? Why are there 29 gun safes, 62 imitation guns and 12 toy guns listed as firearms when under the Firearms Act, those three categories are not legally firearms even within the enormously wide definition of that term in Irish law?

And did anyone think to tell the media that those figures were a wee bit misleading? I don’t remember too many firearms licences being issued for grenades, for example, but there’s one in there. Was a grenade stolen from the Army in Tipperary in 2010?

I’ll be the first to admit that the number of what we think of “guns” that have been stolen is a cause for concern (though strangely, none of proposals the Gardai have made recently have addressed minimum security standards at all). But these figures, they’re… well, they raise some rather pointy questions about the quality of the data in PULSE, and it’s that data that the Gardai are basing their proposals on, and that raises questions over the proposals as well, obviously.  Actually, now that I think about it, those 266 rounds of ammunition – the second largest chunk in the pie – are also not legally firearms even under our hilariously wide definition of “firearm”…




following his ‘controversial’ [link below] plea yesterday for COMMON SENSE in any new firearm regulations.

Firearms expert Mark Dennehy writes:

You might enjoy one of the lighter moments from the day, when the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice decided not to jail Santa under the Firearms Act :)

Previously: Ask Questions Later

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Mark Dennehy

Further to anger at proposed restrictions for licensed firearm owners  –  farmers, hunters, paintballers, vets and sportspeople , all of whom are already vetted and signed off by the Gardai…

Sporting gunman Mark Dennehy writes:

So, you might remember this? And this? And then the kick in the teeth that was this? Well, after that, I and over 200 other shooters and the sports governing bodies and other representative groups sent in submissions to the Committee about the proposals (this was apparently quite a bit more than was expected). I was one of those asked to come in and talk to the Joint Committee about my submission.

So today thirteen of us will be appearing in front of the Joint Committee [on justice defence and equality]. My submission is here in case you want to read it

It’s not quite an end to the story, but I don’t remember this many from the sporting side of things being able to speak to the powers that be in quite this way before. And it’s a side to firearms in Ireland that I don’t think many people in the general public *ever* get to see.


Watch proceedings live here